Fried Liver is good for White.
Proof?
Statistics, engine evals and overall analysis?
Only the first applies, if you include woodpusher games.
The thing is, there aren't many master games playing the Fried Liver Attack, I wonder why...
Fried Liver is good for White.
Proof?
Statistics, engine evals and overall analysis?
Only the first applies, if you include woodpusher games.
And also Stockfish dev doesn't think highly of it:
r1bq1b1r/ppp3pp/4k3/3np3/1nB5/2N2Q2/PPPP1PPP/R1B1K2R w KQ - 0 1
Analysis by Stockfish 080820:
9.0-0 c6 10.d4 Df6 11.De2 Re7 12.dxe5 Dg6 13.Ce4 Rd8 14.c3 Af5 15.f3 Ca6 16.Axa6 bxa6 17.Dxa6 Ac8 18.Da5+ Re8 19.c4 Cb6 20.b3 Ah3 21.Tf2 Af5 22.Cg3 Rf7 23.e6+ Axe6 24.f4 Ag4 25.f5 Dd6 26.Ab2 Te8 27.Te1 Txe1+ 28.Dxe1 Ae7 29.c5 Dd1 30.Dxd1 Axd1 31.cxb6 axb6 32.Ce4 Te8 33.f6 gxf6 34.Axf6 Axf6 35.Txf6+ Rg7 36.Td6 Axb3 37.axb3 Txe4 38.Txc6 Tb4 39.Tc3 h5 40.Rf2 Rf6 41.Tf3+ Rg5 42.Tg3+ Rf6 43.Re2 h4 44.Td3 Rf5 45.Tf3+ Re5 46.g3 Td4 47.Td3 Tb4 48.Rd2 hxg3 49.hxg3 Rf5 50.Re2 Rg6 51.Rf2 Rg5 52.Rf3 Rf5 53.Rg2 Re5 54.Tf3
+/- (1.09) Profundidad: 61/99 03:06:43 41549MN, tb=912215
It's not meant to be either, it just answers the actual question...
It's not meant to be either, it just answers the actual question...
I do not think that the actual question was if you are clueless or not.
Anyway, your engine dump goes wrong on the third move, already.
It's not meant to be either, it just answers the actual question...
I do not think that the actual question was if you are clueless or not.
Anyway, your engine dump goes wrong on the third move, already.
I get that you don't like to answer the questions made and instead just post basic theory, in any case, how's Qe2 "wrong"?
I think that at very low level this opening is BOSS. Like a 700 rated player would almost pee their pants when playing as black. But the more higher level the more they treat this opening as trash. Finally, at GM level, this opening is a complete joke.
Unless you play the Lolli attack. Its cool
At GM level people still pee their pants. That's why the Na5 is more popular.
It's not meant to be either, it just answers the actual question...
I do not think that the actual question was if you are clueless or not.
Anyway, your engine dump goes wrong on the third move, already.
I get that you don't like to answer the questions made and instead just post basic theory, in any case, how's Qe2 "wrong"?
11.Qe2?! Kd7 is not scoring well for white (your single PV Stupidfish suggests 11.Ke7?), so all the attention is at the stronger move 11.Qd1!
I won't expect any engine telling you the difference between these two moves, but I won't bother explaining, either- you are too smart to understand.
It's not meant to be either, it just answers the actual question...
I do not think that the actual question was if you are clueless or not.
Anyway, your engine dump goes wrong on the third move, already.
I get that you don't like to answer the questions made and instead just post basic theory, in any case, how's Qe2 "wrong"?
11.Qe2?! Kd7 is not scoring well for white (your single PV Stupidfish suggests 11.Ke7?), so all the attention is at the stronger move 11.Qd1!
I won't expect any engine telling you the difference between these two moves, but I won't bother explaining, either- you are too smart to understand.
So many claims, so little evidence. It's not the first time you impose your opinion as fact even when other masters disagree with you...
So many claims, so little evidence. It's not the first time you impose your opinion as fact even when other masters disagree with you...
I can only see a clueless woodpusher disagreeing.
I think that instead of using Stockfish (which apparently is incredibly hard for you to use properly) learning one thing, or two about Google search would help you more. You could easily spot this one within the first 3-4 hits:
https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1388611122
Now, I must forgive myself for foolishly wasting so much time with your highness...
It's not meant to be either, it just answers the actual question...
I do not think that the actual question was if you are clueless or not.
Anyway, your engine dump goes wrong on the third move, already.
I get that you don't like to answer the questions made and instead just post basic theory, in any case, how's Qe2 "wrong"?
11.Qe2?! Kd7 is not scoring well for white (your single PV Stupidfish suggests 11.Ke7?), so all the attention is at the stronger move 11.Qd1!
I won't expect any engine telling you the difference between these two moves, but I won't bother explaining, either- you are too smart to understand.
I spent about 1 hour exploring this... if I'd known it was going to be such a difficult position I would have been more organized about it... but I'm giving up now lol
I don't mind if you tell me I'm wrong, but at least I put some work into it. I used multi PV to around depth 35 on each move and explored different lines when they were still close. The number at the end is from single PV on that position to depth 39 or 40.
First of all I don't understand what's so special about 11.Qd1... but maybe it makes sense to me if we're looking at it from OTB play and not engine assisted play.
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In the 11.Qe2 Ke7 line, true for a human it's a total mess, so if we're talking OTB I can see why Kd7 is preferred, but still, the raw eval is a bit better for Ke7.
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So yes, the eval basically the same for the line below, and so I can see why an human might prefer Kd7
So many claims, so little evidence. It's not the first time you impose your opinion as fact even when other masters disagree with you...
I can only see a clueless woodpusher disagreeing.
I think that instead of using Stockfish (which apparently is incredibly hard for you to use properly) learning one thing, or two about Google search would help you more. You could easily spot this one within the first 3-4 hits:
https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1388611122
Now, I must forgive myself for foolishly wasting so much time with your highness...
So your evidence is a 6 year old thread (I don't need to tell you that Houdini 3 is a patzer compared to modern iterations of Stockfish) with people just stating their unconfident opinions...
Jeez, no wonder that page doesn't show up when searching for info on the Fried Liver (something I have in fact done). I'm still waiting for your data on Qd1 scoring better than Qe2...
So your evidence is a 6 year old thread (I don't need to tell you that Houdini 3 is a patzer compared to modern iterations of Stockfish) with people just stating their unconfident opinions...
Jeez, no wonder that page doesn't show up when searching for info on the Fried Liver (something I have in fact done). I'm still waiting for your data on Qd1 scoring better than Qe2...
From the database I use for official correspondence chess (basically latest updated chessbase mega plus full game archives from various official online correspondence servers).
The full game data and scoresheets will be freely available from me to smart people.
Unfortunatel;y this precondition excludes you from having them... but if you play one buck for every point of your IQ, you will get them dirt cheap.
So your evidence is a 6 year old thread (I don't need to tell you that Houdini 3 is a patzer compared to modern iterations of Stockfish) with people just stating their unconfident opinions...
Jeez, no wonder that page doesn't show up when searching for info on the Fried Liver (something I have in fact done). I'm still waiting for your data on Qd1 scoring better than Qe2...
From the database I use for official correspondence chess (basically latest updated chessbase mega plus full game archives from various official online correspondence servers).
The full game data and scoresheets will be freely available from me to smart people.
Unfortunatel;y this precondition excludes you from having them... but if you play one buck for every point of your IQ, you will get them dirt cheap.
I've gotta say, 140 bucks is anything but cheap, regardless, did you actually filter out "woodpusher"games?
The Fried Liver Attack holds the award for the coolest opening name in chess. This variation of the Two-Knights Defense involves a bold knight sacrifice which forces the black king to take a walk. This variation is also known as the Fegatello Attack, an Italian term which means "dead as a piece of meat!"
The key position in the Fried Liver Attack.
Let's take a look at what moves bring about this opening:
In Italian, fegatello doesn't mean "dead as a piece of meat". It means small liver. That's how they call a dish made of fried pork liver. It looks this way: