Is fried liver attack Good??

I get that you don't like to answer the questions made and instead just post basic theory, in any case, how's Qe2 "wrong"?

I think that at very low level this opening is BOSS. Like a 700 rated player would almost pee their pants when playing as black. But the more higher level the more they treat this opening as trash. Finally, at GM level, this opening is a complete joke.

Unless you play the Lolli attack. Its cool

At GM level people still pee their pants. That's why the Na5 is more popular.

And it's more sound.

So many claims, so little evidence. It's not the first time you impose your opinion as fact even when other masters disagree with you...

I spent about 1 hour exploring this... if I'd known it was going to be such a difficult position I would have been more organized about it... but I'm giving up now lol

I don't mind if you tell me I'm wrong, but at least I put some work into it. I used multi PV to around depth 35 on each move and explored different lines when they were still close. The number at the end is from single PV on that position to depth 39 or 40.

First of all I don't understand what's so special about 11.Qd1... but maybe it makes sense to me if we're looking at it from OTB play and not engine assisted play.

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In the 11.Qe2 Ke7 line, true for a human it's a total mess, so if we're talking OTB I can see why Kd7 is preferred, but still, the raw eval is a bit better for Ke7.

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So yes, the eval basically the same for the line below, and so I can see why an human might prefer Kd7

So your evidence is a 6 year old thread (I don't need to tell you that Houdini 3 is a patzer compared to modern iterations of Stockfish) with people just stating their unconfident opinions...

Jeez, no wonder that page doesn't show up when searching for info on the Fried Liver (something I have in fact done). I'm still waiting for your data on Qd1 scoring better than Qe2...

I've gotta say, 140 bucks is anything but cheap, regardless, did you actually filter out "woodpusher"games?

I'm a little disappointed you reply to this kid who clearly knows very little about engines, databases, and your involvement in ICCF.

Although I guess it's easier to point out he knows nothing than talk about a position I slowly walked though with an engine... obviously I don't expect that analysis to be final. Like I said I gave up because I'd spent too much time already. Just looking for some feedback.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I know more about engines than you and yes I knew he was a correspondence player.

You're studying math at university IIRC, and you may have some programming and computer architecture type classes, and so you may know some technical things I don't (although I've had some computer engineering classes myself).

But after copy pasting an engine dump on what looks like depth 60 with the comment "that answers the question" you're no longer in a position to argue you know much about chess engines and how they're used.

I mean, I slowly walked through those positions for an hour and I still have no idea which moves are best and whether it's winning or drawing... because even after all the engine work is done (I didn't finish) you have to evaluate it from a real POV in other words some 0.8 is winning, some 0.8 is clearly a draw, etc.

And even all of that isn't taking into account practical play. Sometimes objectively losing positions give better winning chances than objectively drawn or winning ones.

At least for someone like me, who is not used to doing this kind of analysis, it would be a tremendous amount of work to "answer" this position (I've never seen an engine change its mind as many times as I did last night) which is why I was hoping Pfren might offer a few words for what I might have done right or wrong, or why those lines might be good or bad.

Maybe we could start a topic on "how to properly use an engine"

Although I somehow doubt some players are willing to reveal all their secrets

I couldn't even follow your last post (#99) because I've been staring at my computer for too long.

I c&p the depth 60 line explicitly to showcase the engine eval not being very generous for black, I even told poucin it wasn't meant to be any usable piece of advice. I know engines incorporate the analysis they make as you go down lines and change their mind accordingly.

It already exists...no one is interested. Remember, its halloween everyday.