Is it necessary for me to switch from Sokolsky to D4 opening!? Please help

ESP-918

I've been playing Sokolsky opening for 3-4 years now with good results and it's been my main weapon as white, so I'm very familiar with it structures, theory, gambit lines etc..

So basically my main question do you think I need to swith to d4 opening. ? Will I get better results against stronger players OTB or online I play both so I don't care which one., 80% blitz and 20 % rapid so no classical chess. 

So do you think I'm better of with my usual Sokolsky weapon , which I already know well and can surprise someone or perhaps I should start learning d4 as my main weapon ?  People will be more prepared with d4 tho.... so I'm not sure...

What do you think?  

OTB I mostly play with strong CM or medium strength FM .

Savage47

At a certain point everyone has to give up their pet openings in order to progress. 

PawnstormPossie

You play Sokolsky as white and want to know if you should change to 1.d4?

You might get to play Sokolsky with 1.d4.

What's the usual move order you reach it with?

ESP-918
PawnstormPossie wrote:

You play Sokolsky as white and want to know if you should change to 1.d4?

You might get to play Sokolsky with 1.d4.

What's the usual move order you reach it with?

So basically Sokolsky I play without an advantage for white (like I'm playing black one tempo down ) , but not many people familiar with it so it's quite good for a surprise weapon , structures etc....

On other hand d4 opening (London or trompowsky attack or veresov even) all leads to an advantage for white compare to Sokolsky opening,  but many people especially stronger players will be familiar with it so.....

So I was wondering how much of an advantage or my play will improve if I constantly play d4 opening as my main one instead of Sokolsky or maybe theirs advantage such minimum so theres no point for me to swith ?  

I'm looking for a professional, technical answers only thx. 🔞

SeniorPatzer

"I've been playing Sokolsky opening for 3-4 years now with good results"

 

You got good results.  Are you changing to improve your overall game, or do you think you'll score even better with 1. d4? 

ESP-918
SeniorPatzer wrote:

"I've been playing Sokolsky opening for 3-4 years now with good results"

 

You got good results.  Are you changing to improve your overall game, or do you think you'll score even better with 1. d4? 

Both actually, but mostly second. I think I will score evendors better , because white has an advantage with d4 (not like sokolsky ) , but I'm just not sure because stronger players and not just stronger all player in general more familiar with d4 then sokolsky, that's why I'm in doubt 

ThrillerFan
PawnstormPossie wrote:

You play Sokolsky as white and want to know if you should change to 1.d4?

You might get to play Sokolsky with 1.d4.

What's the usual move order you reach it with?

 

What??????

 

Uhm, no!  You don't get a Sokolsky via 1.d4.  They are apples and oranges and have no transpositional possibilities.  Do you even know what the Sokolsky is?  It's the same as the Polish or the Orangutan.  1.b4.

 

To answer the OP, I have played 10 different first moves as White in over the board tournament play in my lifetime (b3, b4, c4, d4, e4, f4, g4, g3, Nc3, and Nf3).  I can tell you that if you want to progress, you ought to have at least one of e4, d4, c4, or Nf3 in your repertoire.

 

Doesn't mean you can't throw out 1.b4 every now and then (I do it still myself, maybe once or twice a year, a typical year being about 100 to 120 games, so 50 to 60 Whites).  But you want to, in the long run, make either 1.e4, 1.d4, 1.c4, or 1.Nf3 your primary weapon, and keep 1.b4 in the back pocket for the occasional surprise, especially if you are facing someone you've played multiple times before, and they expect 1.d4 or 1.e4 or 1.c4, etc, when you have White.

SchaakVoorAlles
ESP-918 wrote:

I've been playing Sokolsky opening for 3-4 years now with good results and it's been my main weapon as white, so I'm very familiar with it structures, theory, gambit lines etc..

So basically my main question do you think I need to swith to d4 opening. ? Will I get better results against stronger players OTB or online I play both so I don't care which one., 80% blitz and 20 % rapid so no classical chess. 

So do you think I'm better of with my usual Sokolsky weapon , which I already know well and can surprise someone or perhaps I should start learning d4 as my main weapon ?  People will be more prepared with d4 tho.... so I'm not sure...

What do you think?  

OTB I mostly play with strong CM or medium strength FM .

 

What do I think?  I think you are strong enough to make up you own mind.

In any case you don't need to "give up" 1. b4 to learn and play 1. d4.  as well. 

ESP-918
SchaakVoorAlles wrote:
ESP-918 wrote:

I've been playing Sokolsky opening for 3-4 years now with good results and it's been my main weapon as white, so I'm very familiar with it structures, theory, gambit lines etc..

So basically my main question do you think I need to swith to d4 opening. ? Will I get better results against stronger players OTB or online I play both so I don't care which one., 80% blitz and 20 % rapid so no classical chess. 

So do you think I'm better of with my usual Sokolsky weapon , which I already know well and can surprise someone or perhaps I should start learning d4 as my main weapon ?  People will be more prepared with d4 tho.... so I'm not sure...

What do you think?  

OTB I mostly play with strong CM or medium strength FM .

 

What do I think?  I think you are strong enough to make up you own mind.

In any case you don't need to "give up" 1. b4 to learn and play 1. d4.  as well. 

Thx for saying that Im strong , but mind you in Russia I'm just a beginner.

In our local club all "Newbie's" under 23 hundred section ( so if your rating 2300 or under you are noob) . We actually have a speacial day for " Newbies" , they play on Sunday's lol .

darkunorthodox88

nah. i 1.b4 was an opening i adopted when i was a scholastic player, and played it during my entire chess career about 20-40% of the time as white. im now 2200 and nothing has changed.

you sound even stronger than me, but  i wonder how well booked you are in 1.b4,when you consistently play it agaisnt masters, you will need to know a lot of book to get good games. its prob about as much work as an ambitious mainstream opening but the work load is more distributed instead of a bunch of 20+ move lines. suffice to say, even agaisnt grandmasters, i get good positions out of the opening, especially if you are fighting for a win.

what other openings do you play with white? you should be playing 3-4 white openings, at least one being 1.d4 or 1.e4 (or one of the knight moves with some trans-positional possibilities at least) to get exposed to a wide variety of middlegames. of the two, 1.d4 may be more to your style. Some lines of the sokolsky, resemble queen's gambit like structures with an early pawn storm initiative on the queenside (although this is partially hindered by a somewhat premature bb2 with d4)




CricketRulzOK

You're asking for someone to tell you how much you will improve.

You're asking about move 1.

You only want professional opinions.

This isn't the first time you pulled this BS.

Go see a certified fortune teller for crying out loud. 

Post Block Edit-

You have real character issues. Control freak and entilement by existence.

You want help, and you need help. Get the help you really need....the psychological kind.

ESP-918
IMRonilm1204 wrote:

You're asking for someone to tell you how much you will improve.

You're asking about move 1.

You only want professional opinions.

This isn't the first time you pulled this BS.

Go see a certified fortune teller for crying out loud. 

Post Block Edit-

You have real character issues. Control freak and entilement by existence.

You want help, and you need help. Get the help you really need....the psychological kind.

Your rating is 18 hundred, that's why you have no idea what big boys talking about here.

Obviously I'm not asking about just my first move and only that, every 2000+ player will know what I meant, by switching to d4 opening , which means not just first move but also white will play with a slight advantage in the opening compare to b4 , where I'm giving my slight advantage away and pretty much playing with black pieces even tho I'm white . Also different middlegame and of course endgame pawn structure etc.. 

 

Why do I even bother explaining you that if you don't understand all that yourself you shouldn't try to give advice to someone higher rated then you, go and teach 16 hundreds how not to hang pieces.

BeastBoy06

Wow. Watch the saltiness OP! Just because you got roasted by an eighteen hundred doesn’t mean you get to express your murderous feelings towards him. Calm the attitude man!

ESP-918
BeastBoy06 wrote:

Wow. Watch the saltiness OP! Just because you got roasted by an eighteen hundred doesn’t mean you get to express your murderous feelings towards him. Calm the attitude man!

First of all I didn't get roasted by an eighteen hundred(if you are talking about person I related my post #12 to), so that's talking bla bla bla, misleading other members and also provocative behavior.

Second of all stay on topic and if you have nothing to say , don't say it.

First warning!  Second one you will be banned.