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Is pirc defense still reliable?

ponz111

dark    there are lines against the Pirc which give Black little chance to equalize.

 

There are better lines than the Pirc.

darkunorthodox88
ponz111 wrote:

dark    there are lines against the Pirc which give Black little chance to equalize.

 

There are better lines than the Pirc.

the pirc is used even by Super GM's to fight for a win.
all respectable defenses equalize. Some just take longer than others.
in fact, the main drawback of the pirc is that black has to do most of the heavy theory since white has so many different ways to at keep a small advantage to equalize whereas black has to play in narrow corridors. But there is nothing "weak" about it. All the secondary defenses (scandinavian, pirc/modern, alekhine, Nimzowitsch, Owen )  are playable at all levels, but a big reason for their inferiority in top level games is that they lack the flexibility of the big 3 or the solidity of the Caro Kahn.

ponz111

dark   guess I disagree with you,

Take for example the scandinavian. I have won many games with Black with this opening up to and including grandmaster. Also wrote a book on that opening. And my games are in books on the scandinavian played later than my book. If you learn and know a particular opening  at a high level you learn the good lines Against that opening. Now I know how to play against that opening and think White has very strong lines which might even refute that opening?

What I know about the Pirc is White has very strong lines against it  When these lines are known [and they will be known] Black will be sorry he ever played the Pirc as one of his main defenses to 1. e4

Preusseagro

As an opinion of an player who played both sides. 

Pirc can be a good weapon for players 1000-1400 DWZ if you learn about the plans and more and if your oponent is not very active. For example 4.Be3). And you have to be good at defending as well.

I stopped playing pirc because i am more of an offensive player so it depends on your playstyle.

As for the white site. You give me the opoturnity to atack on am weak kingside? I will gladly take it. Mostly play Bg5 and f4 combined. Most of the times i win rather easally, Some times it is an bit more work. And i only lose if i blunder big. Like even if i lose 1-2 pawns or an light piece i can still maintain an scary pressure and attack.

  

SwimmerBill
ponz111 wrote:

dark    there are lines against the Pirc which give Black little chance to equalize."

 

Please share a couple of examples.... If you mean the 150 attack, I don't see it-it's very easy to play as white against an unprepared black but if prepared it looks equal to me. Austrian is sharp but [if black know what she/he is doing] also seems equal.

 

 

 

B1ZMARK

The Pirc is still reliable. It just takes more work to equalize than others as dark has said, since white can play almost any reasonable setup and keeps small edge.

SwimmerBill

I've also experimented a lot (against Shredder) with 4. Be2 which has a lot of move order possibilities, and still leaves open Be3 Qd2 or immediately h4 or classical. But I think it is still a close to equal and hard fought game.  Maybe there is a line where white can force an endgame with a slight advantage, but many openings have that [and it's really less fun to go there right away].

GM_multimortar4500

not really, i won a pirc player just in 17 moves, in the way people crush sicilian dragon:

 

KahanDesai
B1ZMARK wrote:

The Pirc is still reliable. It just takes more work to equalize than others as dark has said, since white can play almost any reasonable setup and keeps small edge.

Ya, that is what i thought in the beginning

GM_multimortar4500
rishabh11great wrote:

"The only playable opening is the Sicillian, it leaves no weaknesses in Black's camp." - Rishabh (@Rishabh11Great)

it is a right sentence, it does leave some weaknesses, but you get them right in one move or two

KahanDesai
GM_multimortar4500 wrote:
rishabh11great wrote:

"The only playable opening is the Sicillian, it leaves no weaknesses in Black's camp." - Rishabh (@Rishabh11Great)

it is a right sentence, it does leave some weaknesses, but you get them right in one move or two

Well, I doubt that! The guy doesn't know Petroff, Berlin and stuff ya... probably

B1ZMARK
rishabh11great wrote:

"The only playable opening is the Sicillian, it leaves no weaknesses in Black's camp." - Rishabh (@Rishabh11Great)

Ridiculous. 

ponz111

Here is one line---I can't go further as am playing in a vote chess game which started this way,  We are way past this move however.

 

GM_multimortar4500
KahanDesai wrote:
GM_multimortar4500 wrote:
rishabh11great wrote:

"The only playable opening is the Sicillian, it leaves no weaknesses in Black's camp." - Rishabh (@Rishabh11Great)

it is a right sentence, it does leave some weaknesses, but you get them right in one move or two

Well, I doubt that! The guy doesn't know Petroff, Berlin and stuff ya... probably

the loewenthal gives black GREAT chances in low time controls

KahanDesai
GM_multimortar4500 wrote:
KahanDesai wrote:
GM_multimortar4500 wrote:
rishabh11great wrote:

"The only playable opening is the Sicillian, it leaves no weaknesses in Black's camp." - Rishabh (@Rishabh11Great)

it is a right sentence, it does leave some weaknesses, but you get them right in one move or two

Well, I doubt that! The guy doesn't know Petroff, Berlin and stuff ya... probably

the loewenthal gives black GREAT chances in low time controls

Aha, now that is something i was looking for happy.png

RivertonKnight

 

RivertonKnight