Is the 2...nf6 scandi considered bad?

I love playing the nf6 scandi and will usually go for 1.e4 d5 2. exd5 nf6 3 c4 c6 4 dxc6 nxc6 if given the chance... My concern however is that 3. d4 is generally a much more challenging response by white and I wonder if it's still considered fine for black at my level. I have decent results with it but I fear that if I enter a higher level it will become dubious. Also I'm considering using it in tournament play if I can learn a good way to deal with 3.d4

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as an 1. e4 player Please can you tell me why do you like Black in this 3. d4 line? I don't understand it, White has more space and an easier game, my score in this line with White is fantastic, in both tournaments and online games. Do you think Black is solid there? You would have an easier time holding in a Berlin or a Petrov if that's your goal, because you certainly aren't getting dynamic play here.

it's far from refuted though, I would go as far a say it's better than the regular Qxd5 objectively but I would never play it as Black, I don't understand what they're hoping for exactly

Most (sensible) people who play the Scandi are looking for a transposition into a Caro-Kann type pawn structure, but with White having been denied many of his popular anti-Caro ideas... eg: no Advance Variation or Tal Variation is possible.

i do knight scandi

you get much more development at the cost of a pawn

mieses kotrc causes your queen to lose you tempo and act like a soccer ball.

#10 I barely play on this account anymore, only bullet games when I'm bored and I don't want to think, I only play serious games in other websites and of course in OTB, where the real chess is there. You must have some trust issues if you really checked that

#12 what do you mean by: "White hangs tightily to his d-pawn"? After studying the theory it looks like Black has no counterplay there, it's playable in blitz where one can't exploit a strategic advantage too well but in Classical you're just going to suffer, I can't really see the appeal for Black

I still play it online in speed games. It's fine even if they have some theory against it because the position isn't too bad.

I wouldn't play it in an OTB tournament though. No one is going to be dumb enough to let you have the fun lines. They'll either try to transpose into a french/caro to be safe and solid, or they'll have some theory to try to get max value.

I mean, I say "no one" but I guess it depends on your rating.

Well, part of why I don't mind it in blitz is even though I get a slightly worse position where I'm also passive, as long as I move fast it doesn't matter. I typically don't have any pawns past my 3rd rank, so I'm compact and solid. I can just shuffle around most the middlegame and since white only sees this opening once in 100 games they'll burn time trying to figure out what to do.

In an OTB tournament game that would never work.

Short answer is to your titled question is no.  It is pretty solid, albeit a bit passive.

The line you give is a mistake from White (trying to hold onto the extra pawn).  The stronger option is to play either Nf3 and d4 or go straight for d4 (which will likely transpose after Nf3) and play moves like Be2, Be3, c4, either Nbd2 or Nc3 depending on the position, and 0-0.  White then plays on the queenside with moves like a3 and b4 in most cases (sometimes d5 can also be played).  It is a battle of space at that point.  Black is looking to avoid creating weaknesses and White is looking to cramp the position and entice them.  Who will blink first?

Yea I just want a nice unbalanced game for black without having to play a scilian. The setup you mention with d4 be2 be3 gives me good chances to have a nice unbalanced fight with possible opposite sides castling, without walking into some guys' 20 moves prep for the najdorf... Basically I'm trying to figure out if this is a valid weapon to use in official OTB tournaments around the 1800-1900 level uscf

Let me show you the best scandinavian

the Reversed Englund's wayward Queen's accepted

I gave up playing it OTB around the 1700 level after I had a few bad games with it, but I've had people in the 1800-1900 range play it against me.

FWIW, I think it's a bad choice.

@Ettettette actually this seems interesting for blitz

Pick respectable openings, but play sidelines or openings GMs liked 20 to 50 years ago. People aren't as prepared, the lines are fundamentally sound and the position will have good ideas for you.