Is the danish gambit sound?

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Cobra2721
pfren wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@62
"It is not good against opponents who know the correct defences"
++ That sums it up.
It is good to overrun weaker players that you should beat anyway.
It is bad against stronger players against whom you need most help.

I tend to disagree with the last statement. Say I am playing against a 1000, I want a simple game where he makes blunders and I pick him off. Whilst if I'm playing a 1900, I want to make the game as complicated as possible, so gambits are good to get myself a aggresive attack, because the 1900 will pick me off in a closed, positional games. Generally I think play safe against bad players and just wait for them to blinder, and attack and sacrifice against better players than you.

 

The one and only right approach is to play against the pieces- not the opponent.

 

That is one of the worst pieces of advice ever. Preperation is one of the biggest things in chess. This example is not to do with my first comment, however it proves your theory wrong. Say I have a tournament, and I find out my oponent. Say I generally play the RuyLopez, however in preperation I find out he plays a terrible line against the Italian (for example). Now, you are saying even though I am all but guaranteed a winningposition if I play the Italian, I should still play the RuyLopez. That makes zero sense.

Cobra2721
pfren wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote:
pfren wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@62
"It is not good against opponents who know the correct defences"
++ That sums it up.
It is good to overrun weaker players that you should beat anyway.
It is bad against stronger players against whom you need most help.

I tend to disagree with the last statement. Say I am playing against a 1000, I want a simple game where he makes blunders and I pick him off. Whilst if I'm playing a 1900, I want to make the game as complicated as possible, so gambits are good to get myself a aggresive attack, because the 1900 will pick me off in a closed, positional games. Generally I think play safe against bad players and just wait for them to blinder, and attack and sacrifice against better players than you.

 

The one and only right approach is to play against the pieces- not the opponent.

 

That is one of the worst pieces of advice ever. Preperation is one of the biggest things in chess. This example is not to do with my first comment, however it proves your theory wrong. Say I have a tournament, and I find out my oponent. Say I generally play the RuyLopez, however in preperation I find out he plays a terrible line against the Italian (for example). Now, you are saying even though I am all but guaranteed a winningposition if I play the Italian, I should still play the RuyLopez. That makes zero sense.

 

So, you assume that your opponent is dumb enough to repeat the same "terrible line" ad infinitum, and for that reason you decide playing an opening which you have little to no experience with. Yes, it makes total sense, but rather not in this universe.

The one and only thing you know before the game against a class level opponent, is that sooner or later your opponent (and you, too) will blunder badly, and so you SHOULD be playing your familiar opening/structure to reduce your chances of blundering. Every other approach is plain silly.

Opening preparation starts to make sense at the >1900 FIDE level (which is way above yours), and judging from your stance, you will be there the day pigs fly.

 

What? I was about 1400 when playing my last tourney, and opening prep made me win a game. I used to play E5 for a long time, so I know loads of lines their, but I had recently started playing the Sicillian (and still do). However, my opponent played the Kings Gambit vs E5, so I played E5 and won the game (I learned a refutation line) all because of OPENING PREPERATION, plus I WAS 1400. Just defeated both ur arguments with one stone

poucin

I love when a 1400 tells a IM how to think and what is the way.

No reassessment : "I am right,  u are wrong, the end".

I didnt know there was a refutation of the king's gambit. There are some equalizing lines, maybe some with slight advantage for black. But just a line giving a winning position, could u share it please?

Cobra2721
poucin wrote:

I love when a 1400 tells a IM how to think and what is the way.

No reassessment : "I am right,  u are wrong, the end".

I didnt know there was a refutation of the king's gambit. There are some equalizing lines, maybe some with slight advantage for black. But just a line giving a winning position, could u share it please?

I am 1600 (underated here) and plus rating doesnt matter.

Cobra2721

In a argument

Cobra2721

Its like u saying PSG is better than Bayern Munich, and me saying then "Well I'm better than u at football so Im right". Makes NO sense

Wins
betgo wrote:

I play about 1400 blitz and 1750 rapid, and I have an extremely high win percentage with the Danish gambit. Basically, no one I play knows the Schlecter Defence, giving back both pawns, and few know how to decline it correctly. It is not good against opponents who know the correct defences though.

They just take all the pawns. it's all good for them if they know the lines, but it's also sound. stockfish says it's only -0.3. I Know a preson that is rated 1900 USCF that frequently plays this opening.

Wins
poucin wrote:

I love when a 1400 tells a IM how to think and what is the way.

No reassessment : "I am right,  u are wrong, the end".

I didnt know there was a refutation of the king's gambit. There are some equalizing lines, maybe some with slight advantage for black. But just a line giving a winning position, could u share it please?

I think normally taking the pawn is best for black ( according to stockfish) and a KGD is equal/slightly better for black. Maybe you are talking about a line where white makes a mistake, but otherwise declining the kings gambit is drawn.

Jenium
Cobra2721 wrote:
pfren wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote:
pfren wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote:
tygxc wrote:

@62
"It is not good against opponents who know the correct defences"
++ That sums it up.
It is good to overrun weaker players that you should beat anyway.
It is bad against stronger players against whom you need most help.

I tend to disagree with the last statement. Say I am playing against a 1000, I want a simple game where he makes blunders and I pick him off. Whilst if I'm playing a 1900, I want to make the game as complicated as possible, so gambits are good to get myself a aggresive attack, because the 1900 will pick me off in a closed, positional games. Generally I think play safe against bad players and just wait for them to blinder, and attack and sacrifice against better players than you.

 

The one and only right approach is to play against the pieces- not the opponent.

 

That is one of the worst pieces of advice ever. Preperation is one of the biggest things in chess. This example is not to do with my first comment, however it proves your theory wrong. Say I have a tournament, and I find out my oponent. Say I generally play the RuyLopez, however in preperation I find out he plays a terrible line against the Italian (for example). Now, you are saying even though I am all but guaranteed a winningposition if I play the Italian, I should still play the RuyLopez. That makes zero sense.

 

So, you assume that your opponent is dumb enough to repeat the same "terrible line" ad infinitum, and for that reason you decide playing an opening which you have little to no experience with. Yes, it makes total sense, but rather not in this universe.

The one and only thing you know before the game against a class level opponent, is that sooner or later your opponent (and you, too) will blunder badly, and so you SHOULD be playing your familiar opening/structure to reduce your chances of blundering. Every other approach is plain silly.

Opening preparation starts to make sense at the >1900 FIDE level (which is way above yours), and judging from your stance, you will be there the day pigs fly.

 

What? I was about 1400 when playing my last tourney, and opening prep made me win a game. I used to play E5 for a long time, so I know loads of lines their, but I had recently started playing the Sicillian (and still do). However, my opponent played the Kings Gambit vs E5, so I played E5 and won the game (I learned a refutation line) all because of OPENING PREPERATION, plus I WAS 1400. Just defeated both ur arguments with one stone

Who knows how many games you would have won, if you spent that time on tactics rather than on opening prep.

DiogenesDue
Jenium wrote:

Who knows how many games you would have won, if you spent that time on tactics rather than on opening prep.

Opportunity cost is probably not his forte, if he can't spell preparation happy.png...

Cobra2721
btickler wrote:
Jenium wrote:

Who knows how many games you would have won, if you spent that time on tactics rather than on opening prep.

Opportunity cost is probably not his forte, if he can't spell preparation ...

When you have lost a argument.

Admit you were wrong X

Correct their spelling YES

DiogenesDue
Cobra2721 wrote:

When you have lost a argument.

Admit you were wrong X

Correct their spelling YES

Lol, everyone rated above you has told you are wrong.  Suck it up. 

Cobra2721
btickler wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote:

When you have lost a argument.

Admit you were wrong X

Correct their spelling YES

Lol, everyone rated above you has told you are wrong.  Suck it up. 

rating doesn't mean anything. Again, say we r having a argument about who is better, Liverpool or Arsenal, I am not gonna say "Well I am better than you at football so I am right". There is ZERO logic in that. The same applies here. Opening prep is NEEDED. EVERY top player does it. 

DiogenesDue
Cobra2721 wrote: 

rating doesn't mean anything. Again, say we r having a argument about who is better, Liverpool or Arsenal, I am not gonna say "Well I am better than you at football so I am right". There is ZERO logic in that. The same applies here. Opening prep is NEEDED. EVERY top player does it. 

You're still not getting it.  You're nowhere near being a top player, and you *don't* need it.  You are wasting your time, flat out.

Cobra2721
pfren wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote:

Opening prep is NEEDED. EVERY top player does it. 

 

For the moment, you are a top patzer, so prep is useless for you.

But your first statement wasn't directed at me, it was directed at chess players in general. So EVEN IF prep wasn't helpful for me (it is and I have won games with it), your opening statement is still incorrect.

Cobra2721
btickler wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote: 

rating doesn't mean anything. Again, say we r having a argument about who is better, Liverpool or Arsenal, I am not gonna say "Well I am better than you at football so I am right". There is ZERO logic in that. The same applies here. Opening prep is NEEDED. EVERY top player does it. 

You're still not getting it.  You're nowhere near being a top player, and you *don't* need it.  You are wasting your time, flat out.

I will stop this argument here, because I  can already tell that you will just go around in circles

DiogenesDue
Cobra2721 wrote:

I will stop this argument here, because I  can already tell that you will just go around in circles

You mean that you can tell a bunch more players are going to jump on this if you keep going wink.png...

Cobra2721
btickler wrote:
Cobra2721 wrote:

I will stop this argument here, because I  can already tell that you will just go around in circles

You mean that you can tell a bunch more players are going to jump on this if you keep going ...

I meant what I said.

DiogenesDue
Cobra2721 wrote:

I meant what I said.

There are no snakes in Ireland.

White1970

At my level (2100-2200) it is not that good because when you are 2200 you know how to defend your position when you are ahead in material. But if your opponent likes to play solid positions and not very good at defending, you can give it a shot but that's probably not gonna work if it's a long time control game. But in a short game, it might but you can't be sure about it. But below like, 2000, you can actually try it. I mean, even though black is better, you have to defend the position accurately which a 2000+ player would do, but below that, you are going to win many games with it. I also have a club for you to join and practice these type of gambits that you like called Practice Your Gambits. We organize regular tournaments with various gambit positions. We give you 4 gambits to choose from and we are going to put the most voted gambit position for the tournaments. We are going to have a tournament on 12th of November 2022 at 4.00pm Chennai time. Go to the team page for more information and help our club to improve by joining so that we can prove to the chess world that "GAMBITS ARE NOT REFUTED!".