Is the Fischer Sozin Attack Busted?

Parma v Fischer 10. BxNf6 09 Sep 1961 1/2
Bilek v Fischer 10. e5 03 Feb 1962 0-1
Tringov v Fischer 10. e5 31 Aug 1965 0-1
Parma v Fischer 10. BxNf6 02 Sep 1965 1/2
Mazzoni v Fischer 10. e5 26 Mar 1967 0-1
Fischer v Geller 10. f5 04 Apr 1967 0-1
Kavalek v Fischer 10. f5 22 Oct 1967 1/2
Parma v Fischer 10. BxNf6 12 Apr 1970 0-1

If you have a score of Geller v Fischer where Geller plays 10. f5 in the poisoned pawn please share it.

Indeed. I wonder what lines are any more promising for attack for white?

And what was Fischer "wrong"' about? I don't think he EVER declared the Sozin as THE attack vs d6 Sicilians.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bc4
There are four famous Fischer games on this line. Two where Tal as black won and Two where Fischer as black won.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bc4
Just not in fashion.

The main problem I think with Bc4 is against the Najdorf where black has the Nbd7 Nc5 NxBb3 option. Since those I play are like me well below title Bc4 is fine.

IMO, he just liked to play that way.

It's a common theme.

Yugoslav vs the Dragon

Velimirovic vs Classic

Sozin vs Najdorf/Scheveningen

For example.

Saying that and proclaiming it to be the BEST attack are two different things.

Again, what are more promising lines of attack then?

One possible reason that the Fischer-Sozin isn't that effective now days is it seems very slow. The major plusses is the queen side majority and light square pressure. Especially on the LSB diagonal. Both seem to aim for advantageous exchanges with an endgame plus. But most times White has very little against the opponent king.

But there is the tempo loss of Bb3 and usually Kh1 after O-O which allows Black to develop well against White's weakness. Seems theory now recommends Black take off the LSB quickly usually doubling queen side pawns as well. Not leaving white many plusses but still with weakness. 

Stuff like Adams Attack and English Attack might be more popular as they probably offer more direct threats quicker. Plus leave White with less weakness as well.

He simply enriched theory of the Sozin. Just like how he did with the Exchange Variation of the Spanish (Ruy Lopez). Don't see where he was "wrong". 

His line vs the King's Gambit is still critical as of this century as well as the last. To my knowledge, was, a rare proclamation by him to be a "bust" to the KG. I would agree he may have been too hasty (and wrong) to openly say.

He used the KIA vs e6 Sicilians, French defense. But hey, his theories may have been evaluated since then, but I don't see how his use of certain lines can just be deemed "wrong" because of your own experiences.

Yeah, Geller was Black, not White. And Geller won... but Fischer was very close to victory in that game until he misplayed it with... what?... Bg4 instead of Qc2? Tal later played EXACTLY the same line as Fischer against GM opposition, but he played the Qc2 improvement and won brilliantly.

http://www.365chess.com/view_game.php?g=2606336&m=40

Hmm. Indeed. Those lines are easier to play, granted. IF black allows you to play it. 

Move order dictates. Going into a pseudo-Najdorf setup, while opting for a Scheveningen or Dragon easily avoids those lines. The English attack seems too slow.

I respect your opinion.

Heh. But of course I disagree with your use of "garbage". I, nor you, is in any position to say what any elite GM, past or present, that their contributions didn't enrich opening theory, much less to say it was garbage. 

Yeah, I could've used some luck vs 2300s when playing those openings. I lost quite a few, drew some, and wrangled a couple of victories. It was due to my lack of ability, experience and their superiority, and not because of Opening choice.

  I think because of Fisher the theory in sozin variation has developed a lot due to which now we know the replies for black.Fisher liked to play active and attacking setups for both sides in which case I believe that sozin fits perfectly for him.Its not that everyone can play same kind of openings as these players so its completely on us to play it or not.Grandmasters now like to play safe and solid lines so sozin got out of fashion. And about him being loyal some openings, it is because as much you play the same opening you get to know more plans in it that increases overall chess understanding. Many strong players have always been loyal to their openings and everyone has a different test so its not everyone plays every opening and engines are not humans so they can evaluate some positions to be equal but humans think and play differently.for example a game between Nakamura and akobian was evaluated as equal by engines but still naka won the reason he gave is that even if engines are saying the position is equal it was not of akobian's kind of position so he was not able to hold it. and to summarize I will say that no sozin is not yet busted its just not in fashion and yeah maybe engines are evaluating as equal or a slight edge for either side its a really nice opening to play

True. Without Fischer playing the Sozin, the Russian GMs would not have had the same impetus to delve deeply into those lines. The Fischer-Sozin line first "hit the rocks" in the Fischer-Spassky match, as a result of prepared analysis that must have been concocted by the combined efforts of half the GMs in Russia. Only the threat of Fischer could have forced that sort of teamwork.

... and it gave the chess world some beautiful games. Here's one played by two virtually unknown Russian... or Bulgarian?... players back in the '50s or '60s:

#43 @blueemu
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1503130
Yuri Troinov vs Luben S Popov
 Bulgaria (1962)  ·  Sicilian Defense: Fischer-Sozin Attack. Leonhardt Variation (B88)  ·  1-0

Yeah, I guessed that it might have been in Bulgaria. I saw the game in an old book from the 60s... called 100 Soviet Chess Miniatures.

#45, @blueemu. We have studied the same chess when it comes to the Sicilian.
I recognised the game in a heartbeat.
I remember in a tournament playing 7. ... Qb6 and the guy wimped on me with 8. Nb3.
He got the shock of his life when the game sort of transposed to a Browne variation and I sacrificed my g-pawn and won. Not quite like your king on d6 with pawns no where to be seen but same can black do that and live feel.