Is the Sicilian Defense a good defense for a low-rated player?

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Strangemover
KetoOn1963 wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

btw, 2.Bc4 is an inaccuracy due to 2...e6!

 

Again.  Its going to depend on who is playing it.

By this logic do you consider 1.c5 an inaccuracy if played by say a 1200 rated player? 

KovenFan
SNUDOO wrote:
MarcoDiazz wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
MarcoDiazz wrote:
KetoOn1963 wrote:

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Depends on if you're being technical on the term innacuracy but 2.Bc4 is definitely an inaccuracy in my book. Its exactly like 2.Nf3 in the Caro-Kann where you're not losing but you've pretty much given black an easy game.

 

If the move had any merit you would see it covered by at least one book but no you won't.

I have a caro-kann book that covers 2.Nf3

Usually involves a gambit of some kind.

I didn't know that existed lol. What's the name?

The 1999 book said it was the "Ulysses Gambit"

 

Na I was actually talking about this:

 

PerpetuallyPinned

Here's an argument for a low rated player to play the Sicilian Defense:

If you play 1.e4, you will eventually face 1...c5 yourself.

It's often helpful to play both sides of an opening to better understand the ideas/plans of both sides.

Does this mean you should focus on the Najdorf or Scheveningen (I might have spelled it wrong)? No, you probably won't even reach them due your opponent not knowing the opening moves or orders.

Perhaps better would be to focus on the closed Sicilian and structures, Grand Prix, Alapin, Botvinnik as you reach them in games. Later on, the Maroczy Bind and other structures may be helpful as you might see them in a reversed position of the English.

As a low rated player, you should be focused on learning more than just increasing your rating. Learning tactics, middle game plans, opening moves and endgames in a balanced manner will help you more than trying to master one area of the game at a time.

sndeww
MarcoDiazz wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
MarcoDiazz wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
MarcoDiazz wrote:
KetoOn1963 wrote:

[snip]

Depends on if you're being technical on the term innacuracy but 2.Bc4 is definitely an inaccuracy in my book. Its exactly like 2.Nf3 in the Caro-Kann where you're not losing but you've pretty much given black an easy game.

 

If the move had any merit you would see it covered by at least one book but no you won't.

I have a caro-kann book that covers 2.Nf3

Usually involves a gambit of some kind.

I didn't know that existed lol. What's the name?

The 1999 book said it was the "Ulysses Gambit"

 

Na I was actually talking about this:

 

that's just a variation of the caro-kann exchange. Nothing new.

sndeww
Strangemover wrote:
KetoOn1963 wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:

btw, 2.Bc4 is an inaccuracy due to 2...e6!

 

Again.  Its going to depend on who is playing it.

By this logic do you consider 1.c5 an inaccuracy if played by say a 1200 rated player? 

yes, because you can't do that.

sndeww
PerpetuallyPinned wrote:

Here's an argument for a low rated player to play the Sicilian Defense:

If you play 1.e4, you will eventually face 1...c5 yourself.

It's often helpful to play both sides of an opening to better understand the ideas/plans of both sides.

Does this mean you should focus on the Najdorf or Scheveningen (I might have spelled it wrong)? No, you probably won't even reach them due your opponent not knowing the opening moves or orders.

Perhaps better would be to focus on the closed Sicilian and structures, Grand Prix, Alapin, Botvinnik as you reach them in games. Later on, the Maroczy Bind and other structures may be helpful as you might see them in a reversed position of the English.

As a low rated player, you should be focused on learning more than just increasing your rating. Learning tactics, middle game plans, opening moves and endgames in a balanced manner will help you more than trying to master one area of the game at a time.

that works. I tried the sicilian as well around 1200-1500, and tried to get the dragon position every time. didn't work out so well against sozin setups

chesswizard792

yeah i think e4 -e5 is better for beginners when u learn more about stratagey siliican is great!

 

KetoOn1963

The best story i remember about a kid playing the Sicilian was maybe about 5-6 years ago in Reno, Nevada at a tournament.  GM Sergey Kudrin always pus on a clock simul, and the next day if you come back he will go over the game with you.  So this kid is going over his game with Mr. Kudrin.  They get to a position, and the kid says: "When i get to this position I dont know what to do?  I play the Sicilian dragon because Im an aggressive player."  

Sergey looks at the kid and says in his deadpan Russian accent: "Well...if you dont know what to do, then you shouldn't be playing it."  The room just started laughing, and the poor kid just sat there.  Sergey took the time to tell the kid to play an opening he likes to play, and understands.  Not play something just because its has a cool label attached to it.

peterbrandt1000
Statistically it is the best opening for black
KetoOn1963
olJoshie1 wrote:
Statistically it is the best opening for black

Statistics go out the window when the players dont know how to play it.

FrogCDE

@SNUDOO"Nc3 stops the d5 plan in its tracks. Now, black would like to play ...Nf6 but that's answered by e5!"

I've replied as follows many times - seems to work OK at my level anyway:

 

 

SwimmerBill
KetoOn1963 wrote:
 

Statistics go out the window when the players dont know how to play it.

Great quote!

KetoOn1963
SwimmerBill wrote:
KetoOn1963 wrote:
 

Statistics go out the window when the players dont know how to play it.

Great quote!

I get off a good one every now and then :-)

sndeww
FrogCDE wrote:

@SNUDOO: "Nc3 stops the d5 plan in its tracks. Now, black would like to play ...Nf6 but that's answered by e5!"

I've replied as follows many times - seems to work OK at my level anyway:

 

 

Bb5+ Nfd7 makes black cramped

still playable, since the c5-d5 pawns are pretty menacing

Dsmith42

I played the Sicilian back in high school, and I got great results against players who were generally in the 1000-1500 range.  I got atrocious results against players who were better than that - basically those who "booked up" on all the trap lines.  It's a good defense for learning the ropes, but you need a hypermodern foundation (which I lacked back then) to make good use of it against players of consequence.

bong711

Sicilian is a fun opening to play. For lower rated players, I advice to buy a book and practice by playing Daily games. Consulting books are allowed.

blueemu
SNUDOO wrote:
FrogCDE wrote:

@SNUDOO: "Nc3 stops the d5 plan in its tracks. Now, black would like to play ...Nf6 but that's answered by e5!"

I've replied as follows many times - seems to work OK at my level anyway:

 

 

Bb5+ Nfd7 makes black cramped

still playable, since the c5-d5 pawns are pretty menacing

It's more than just "playable".

It's Advantage: Black.

sndeww
blueemu wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
FrogCDE wrote:

@SNUDOO: "Nc3 stops the d5 plan in its tracks. Now, black would like to play ...Nf6 but that's answered by e5!"

I've replied as follows many times - seems to work OK at my level anyway:

 

 

Bb5+ Nfd7 makes black cramped

still playable, since the c5-d5 pawns are pretty menacing

It's more than just "playable".

It's Advantage: Black.

ok, but what about exd6?

sndeww

also disclaimer: I never checked any chess engine for that sicilian analysis above, please bear with my category I player self

An_asparagusic_acid
KetoOn1963 wrote:

The best story i remember about a kid playing the Sicilian was maybe about 5-6 years ago in Reno, Nevada at a tournament.  GM Sergey Kudrin always pus on a clock simul, and the next day if you come back he will go over the game with you.  So this kid is going over his game with Mr. Kudrin.  They get to a position, and the kid says: "When i get to this position I dont know what to do?  I play the Sicilian dragon because Im an aggressive player."  

Sergey looks at the kid and says in his deadpan Russian accent: "Well...if you dont know what to do, then you shouldn't be playing it."  The room just started laughing, and the poor kid just sat there.  Sergey took the time to tell the kid to play an opening he likes to play, and understands.  Not play something just because its has a cool label attached to it.

I score better against the dragon Yugoslav(as black), than with white.