Is the Traxler Variation Unsound?

Robert_New_Alekhine

Is this Sound or Unsound? PLease post variations to support your opinion.

Robert_New_Alekhine

What type of play does black aim for in the Traxler? I know he wants to sacrifice his bishop on f4, but what is his followup?

Robert_New_Alekhine

Ng4?

Robert_New_Alekhine

and maybe Ke1

-BEES-

Yes and no. It is unsound in the sense that Black has some disadvantage (larger than the normal disadvantage against 1.e4) in the critical lines, and Black has theoretically better options against the Fried Liver.

 

It is sound in the sense that Black is not forcibly lost in any line. This has been studied thoroughly and while it may appear there are refutations to the Traxler superficially, Black ends up having sufficient resources in those lines to hold, and those variations can be sharp with all three outcomes possible.

Robert_New_Alekhine

can you post some variations?

SamirG497

5. Nf7 Bf2+  6. Kxf2 Nxe4+  It can be risky , but i u play correctly and you oponent doesnt defend well , it can lead to a very offensive game and a win for black. It can also catch ur opponent by suprise ,as a bishop sacrifice can be unexpected

Robert_New_Alekhine

There is a knight on f6, I thought?

SamirG497
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Elvisandro

5.Nxf7 complicates unneccesarily the game.

5.Bxf7 Ke7 6.Bd5 just pick a free pawn and is a lot easier to play for white.

SamirG497

5.Bxf7 should be played but most people play Nxf7 as it looks more effective since  the bishop sacrifice can be unexpected on f2. Maybe for blitz/bullet it is best to use , and risky in standard games.

ghostofmaroczy
Robert0905 asked:

Is this Sound or Unsound? PLease post variations to support your opinion.

There are no sound chess moves.

#campomanes

RuneTonseth

3 good Video analyzes about the opening. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKsNX_c1KTw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ZxDBemOXM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fFCGknqmlk

Its a good opening in blitz games as a big suprise. In standard time It can be very risky. 

pfren

https://shop.chessbase.com/en/products/ris_a_black_repertoire_against_the_two_knights

Personally I wouldn't bother as Black- 4...d5 followed by 5...Na5 is perfectly good, so no need to enter this stupid mess of a variation.

Kir321

Better for White - but should be playable for Black...

Robert_New_Alekhine
pfren wrote:

https://shop.chessbase.com/en/products/ris_a_black_repertoire_against_the_two_knights

Personally I wouldn't bother as Black- 4...d5 followed by 5...Na5 is perfectly good, so no need to enter this stupid mess of a variation.

Yes, and I don't play it (I don't even play 1..e5), but this thread is about the traxler, not about 4...d5

pfren
Robert0905 wrote:
pfren wrote:

https://shop.chessbase.com/en/products/ris_a_black_repertoire_against_the_two_knights

Personally I wouldn't bother as Black- 4...d5 followed by 5...Na5 is perfectly good, so no need to enter this stupid mess of a variation.

Yes, and I don't play it (I don't even play 1..e5), but this thread is about the traxler, not about 4...d5

The DVD I pointed at IS about the Traxler (and a quasi-complete Black 2 knights repertoire).

It's mainly aimed at low to mid rated players- no long analytical strings, some omissions (e.g. Stefan Buecker's line 5.d4!? against the Traxler is not mentioned at all).

Robert_New_Alekhine

This is what you wrote:Personally I wouldn't bother as Black- 4...d5 followed by 5...Na5 is perfectly good, so no need to enter this stupid mess of a variation.

That's Off Topic.

NBKXX

I never understood why people play the Traxler.

5.Bf7! Ke7 6.Bb3 is a clear advantage for white, and small theory

5.Nf7 is maybe even better, but White must know the theory

5.d4 even this should give White an advantage

If White follows concrete lines, the statistics are very bad for black.

Robert_New_Alekhine

After Bb3, does black have any Bxf2_ stuff?