uh huh....what's the point of going Bf4? Pin the knight!
is this a real opening?is it SOUND?is it GOOD?
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you dont have to, and that is not the modern bishops opening
Ummm. . .the ruy lopez is a king pawn game.
it is not the ruy lopez.it is a queens modern bishop opening variation, that i am not sure is an opening at all, so can someone say if it is an real opening?
ps, "like" is the key word
According to Game Explorer, 3... c6 is the main line of this variation, so your line would not show up very often.
f3 solves what problem? Also, the pawn on c6 is hanging.
i dont see the point of 3..c6 it blocks where the knight would go, and really does nothing else 
f3 solves the problem of the capture of the white knight and stopping the black knight to getting to his "good" square. and the reason you dont capture the c6 pawn immediately, is because he might capture your knight protecting his knights "good" square.
ruy lopez ??? with 1 d4 d5 how come?
Easy win for White.
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7. 0-0 would be correct then, iloverobotwars.
nevermind, it is modern bishops opening verosov variation, can we get on with life
Jul 21, 2008
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Mebeme wrote:
i dont see the point of 3..c6 it blocks where the knight would go, and really does nothing else
In double queen pawn games it is rarely a good idea to play Nc3/Nc6 in front of the c-pawn. After 3...c6 the white knight on c3 isn't doing anything, and because it is blocking the c-pawn, you have no helpful freeing breaks.
Not only does 3...c6 limit your Nc3, it also stops the whole idea of your "opening". Frankly, black shouldn't allow the bishop pin in the first place. Also, a knight does not have to be on c3, c6, f3, or f6 to be well placed, many times it is just as good(or even better) on the second rank. Lastly, you say 3...c6 is bad, but do not give a line of play for white which "refutes" it. I personally believe black has a good game after it.
Ok, now if someone actually played into the opening you're showcasing, let look at the final board: first, why would black play 6...a6? it simply waste a move. Nd7 looks better, stopping Ne5 and planning f6-e5 later (which is the only freeing break in the position.) The opening looks sloppily conceived, where the only course of action is to develop pieces, and the only plan is to take advantage of black's Nc6 (which is NOT a move I recommend for black.) Don't worry too much about openings
side note: I understand why you wrote "ruy lopez variation" as sometimes in the ruy lopez will exchange bishop for knight (the exchange variation), but you shouldn't name an opening just because it "looks" similar to another opening. It can be very confusing (see <broze>'s post), and even then I'm not sure why you would use "Ruy lopez" as the exchange variation is only a part of the large index of variations known as the ruy lopez.
I know it may seem like I'm being harsh, but you're not helping yourself by trying to learn openings before strategic principles, and I only want to help.
3....Nc6 is a mistake that loses at least a pawn, because of 4.Nb5, with a double attack on c7. At that point Black's best defense might just be giving up the e-pawn with 4....e5. That's why 3....c6 is the main line in Game Explorer.
1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 is Veresov's opening, or the Richter-Veresov Attack. It scores very poorly for white. I have never played it, but I think this is mainly due to white blocking the useful c-pawn and black leaving ...c5 possibilities open. 3.Bf4 is not really played much, but it is not a bad move. White seems less poised than is normal to begin expansion on one of the wings. There is no point in making up your 'main lines' and everything. There is very little chance that black would respond this way.
It seems to me like you are treating 1.d4 like a King's pawn opening where 2.Nf3 Nc6 is very common. In the double Queen's pawn openings, c4 (and ...c5) is one of the main strategic points. 95% of games will begin with 2.c4 or 2.Nf3. 2.Nc3 is much more uncommon than you have probably guessed and there is little point to exploring the theory in this manner.
My old copy of ECO (1987) gives one line to the position after 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bf4, with the continuation 3....Bf5 4.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c6, etc., eventually calling the line equal. It's in D00.
I thank Nimzo-33, basiclvrch8r, tonight only for answering my questions, and explaining well when everyone else just said something about "ruy lopez?!?"
i now see how this is not good but i will use it if someone doesnt play c6, but if they do ill play different, thanks
it looks like a modern bishop opening, ruy lopez variation(it gives black the bishop pair for a powerful knight):