Italian game vs scotch game

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ljw2013

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ljw2013

1..d4(!!)

pawntoroyalty

I, ever learning queens gambit, kept playing it

trw0311

They are both good and it depends on who you’re playing. They have very similar concepts but the scotch is more imbalanced. If I can play a max Lange attack from my Italian set up I’ll go for it because I prefer to play that way. The slow italian is much more solid and procedural. I play the giuco almost like a system opening.

Astrogash2009

Giuco piano main line can easily crushed by 1000elo players I think Evans gambit is the strongest

Astrogash2009

But Evans gambit is hard to understand , Every players who plays evans gambit don't know why we sacrifice the b4 pawn

trw0311
Astrogash2009 wrote:

Giuco piano main line can easily crushed by 1000elo players I think Evans gambit is the strongest

Did you see nieman vs carlsen a few months ago? The slow Italian was played multiple times by some of the best players in the world as white and black. If 1000s are getting crushed in the giuco just means they’re not playing right lol I don’t think one of the oldest and highly regarded openings is the problem

badger_song

The Italian, in final analysis, is best---fewer imbalances. Balance is best, imbalances can cause vertigo, and vertigo is unquestionably bad.

MisterOakwood

If you dont want to play the c3, d4 variation of the Italian (it is objectively bad) - then the italian is usually more positional, while the scotch is more tactical in nature. This maybe helpful for you to make a decision.

badger_song

The best way to look at this question, is not "Which opening is better?", but rather, "Which opening is better for you?" I have very little understanding of pawns and positional ideas, and do poorly in closed positions, so choosing an opening that requires that I understand those topics would be a poor choice for me at this time, regardless of the other merits of said opening.

husamhabqa

Just try Scotch Gambit

TechnoB14de

If you are a beginner ranges from 800 to 1200 then you should Play scotch but when you go higher elo you realize the importance of pawn structure and piece activity the you should prefer italian in my opinion

Mazetoskylo
MisterOakwood wrote:

If you dont want to play the c3, d4 variation of the Italian (it is objectively bad)

How so? You think that all those low-rated guys playing white are using an "objectively bad" opening?

NclChesser

Italian easily

crazedrat1000
Mazetoskylo wrote:
MisterOakwood wrote:

If you dont want to play the c3, d4 variation of the Italian (it is objectively bad)

How so? You think that all those low-rated guys playing white are using an "objectively bad" opening?

You haven't said why they played it, they could easily be trying to simplify the game due to tournament considerations for all I know.

Astrogash2009

Italian game with d4 variation is nothing but called as Italian gambit, not famous at all

adijayajmanj
Sorry to burst ur bubble but I LITERALLY made a post called “best Italian game trap
adijayajmanj
It’s my very OWN gambit on how to beat Italian game
adijayajmanj
Tbh both these opening can be stopped by 1. e6 for black
Astrogash2009

Why are you babbling adijayajmani, e6 is a French defense . Boring theories.