Italian over Spanish?

okay, be real here

ignoring the fact that the italian has such lines as well....

who as black plays Nxe4 and exd4 WILLINGLY, as in, having prep

i am not talking about the people who play it obliviously and those people obviously wouldnt continue with the rest of the line

and its just.... okay there are lines like this, so?

what are you trying to even prove here?

"just another day in the park for a ruy lopez player"??

implies you HAVE to know deep theory and MUST oh so immaculately memorise the smallest detail of the intricacies of a subline of a subline in order to even DARE play the ruy

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whats the point of such clear misinterpretation and lying to prevent someone from playing a certain opening?

the truth: both are excellent openings, both have tons of lines, both have deep lines, neither require you to know these lines to play them

implying anything else is purely for personal profit... some kind of personal profit which doesnt even make sense given that for every ruy game theres like 5 italian games

The result is oh so worth it.

what result 

the result where black wins?

okay i will use the players database (from lichess, from actual games played there)

177 mil italians, 98 mil ruys

wanting more italian games is stupid

win rate:

51-45 for the italian, 51-44 for the ruy, negligible

now getting into the ruy

20 mil games with d6, no theory here

a6 has 26 mil games and of those there are 15 mil Ba4s

Nf6 has 8 mil games, 0-0 has 5 mil and Nxe4 has.... 500k

d4 has 250 k and exd4 has 46k

Re1 has 40k and Nxd4 has 26k

Bd6 has 13k (so by now black has played a6 in 1/4 of games, Nf6 in 1/2 of games, Nxe4 in 1/10 of games, exd4 in 1/5 of games and Bd6 in 1/2 of games which is... 1/800 of all ruy lopezes; forget all other move 1 and move 2 replies)

tell me your preferred reply to the Nf6 italian and i will give a similar line

I dont really play the italian.

i am not hating on the italian

just saying that the ruy is a PERFECTLY fine alternative

In my opinion, unless you are high rated enough where opening theory matters, you should play the Italian since it’s really hard to study all the lines and responses of the ruy Lopez at lower elo, not to mention people usually play garbage against it and then you don’t know what to do

Did you like not get me or what?

i completely didnt get you, extremely sorry

but what did you intend with your board there

to me it looked like a classic "ruy has too much theory" post

did you mean that white easily gets a better position?

or are you ACTUALLY favoring the italian here??

In my opinion, unless you are high rated enough where opening theory matters, you should play the Italian since it’s really hard to study all the lines and responses of the ruy Lopez at lower elo,

congratulations

you played yourself

opening theory doesnt matter at low level, so, you dont need to study all the lines and responses, so, your reasoning for your recommendation doesnt make sense

not to mention people usually play garbage against it and then you don’t know what to do

haha

idk why this would ever be an issue

they play garbage so what

im like +1 or smth and thats a bad thing??

and sorry to break it to you, theres a bunch of garbage in every opening

Im saying that the high theory load is an advantage.

you ARE??

realise that people hate high theory, or supposed high theory with a burning passion