KIA - stuck loosing a pawn

hey, i would really like to know what to do at this position. It seems like i have to give up my defence on g4 to make sure i dont loose a pawn, but is there any other way?

I don't know if the steps leading up to it is important, but i tried to reconstruct them as good as posible.

You don't need to write me an essay, maybe just drop a relevant link.

Thanks in advance :)

also thoght about bf4 maybe?

The longer you avoid putting a pawn in the center, the more resourceful and knowledgeable about the position you're going to have to be to keep from getting steamrolled.  Here white's position is already very unpleasant.

Anyway, to keep it short and sweet:
- Playing h3 was a waste of time (and the cause of the weakness)
- Play d4 or e4 at some point earlier in the opening.

But then he just moves ..Ng4 and then i'm in a bad trade anyway?

Oh, I see what you mean.

(Note white could have also played 7.d4)

This trade is almost always better for the side giving up the rook and pawn.  Especially in the opening.  Rooks are much more useful in endgames.  In the endgame, with many pawns off the board, rooks can get to open files and be strong.  In the opening and middlegame bishops and knights do the heavy lifting.  Also just on general principal black exchanged two active pieces for two pieces doing nothing.

But all this stuff (with c3-d4) is not in the spirit of the KIA.  In fact the KIA places a pawn on e4 as early as move 1.  This is more of a reversed opening.  I.e. white is playing a configuration normally seen by black (depending on which pawn white puts on the 4th, c4, d4, or e4, it could be a lot of different openings, each with different ideas).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Indian_Attack

www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/chess-opening-principles

Okay. Thanks for the long reply. 
I will try to be more center dominant in future and see where it takes me.

Have a nice day

what about kf2 a bit risky, or g4 could be fine.

Kh2 hangs f2.

g4 makes a good tactics puzzle

I like the KIA very much, but in this reversed Pirc setup I prefer to follow GM Nigel Davies' advice to go for d4 when Nc6 is played. A pure KIA is just inconvenient to play here.

I wonder about the standard 6.Nxe5 Nxe5 7.d4.

Sred, exactly right.  You're going to run into a lot of trouble if think you're playing a KIA when you're really playing a Pirc/Robatsch reversed...

Yes, an early ..d5 and ..Nc6 is very likely to trip up a KIA player who thinks he is going to play the first 10-15 moves of the game thought-free.

In theory d4 is good - White has a Chigorin where he is not comitted to c4, but White needs to know how to play these positions!

Probably better for a beginner is 1.e4.  You have to learn how to play against 1...d5 but against most other moves you can go 2.Nf3, 3.d3, 4.Nbd2, 5.g3 etc. and get the desired setup.

Better for a beginner is claiming central space immediately (e4 /d4, e5/d5) and forget about hypermodern strategies for quite some time.

1.Nf3 is a flexible move in the sense that after 1 ... d5 you can choose to not play the KIA and just play 2.d4 or something more intuitive.

study general chess theory

This is particularly true after Black's Nc6 move. Transposing to a Catalan-like set-up should be effective against that move-order.

sorry for giving bad advice, thanks waffle master

From one vantage point, it can't be that much worse than showing a beginning player how to play the Colle for White, can it?  Both systems start with a center pawn, strongpoint it, and get the pieces out.

What is the alternative to keep players like the OP out of trouble? Make them play 1.e4 e5 for both colors and watch them lose a slew of short games until they get it right?

Hey GreenCastleBlock, I know this is off topic but your chess youtube channel is awesome, one of the best chess channels I think. I hope you'll make more videos of your live standard games.

The difference is that you don't see as many tactical themes in closed hypermodern games as opposed to open classical games. I mean, just look at OP's game; he didn't see any tactical themes before placing himself in a near losing position. I love hypermodern openings, don't get me wrong, but they just don't teach tactics as well as a classical opening.

On topic: Re1 is not a usual move for the system you are using. The rook wants to be on f1 to prepare for an f4 break. More usual is to play Qe1 for the e4 break and to prepare for it with c3 (to prevent Nb4). h3 was also not required but that was already explained.