KIA 4 Pawns for White

Does anyone use the 4 Pawns for White to combat the KID used by Black? 

    For instance when black pushes c5 at some point seems to mess up my plans...or if black gets in e5 before I do, again messes me up. 

   Is there one best 'do all and versatile' version of it for White?  Any 2000+ rated players? 

edit: Panama

The KIA is an opening for white, it is called the KID for black

1) You are indeed talking about the KID (King's Indian Defense) and not the KIA (King's Indian Attack).

2) 6...c5 should not be a surprise against the Four pawns variation: it's the main line as Black. As a personal choice I even prefer 6...Na6, the modern line, rarely well handled by White who thinks Black just did a bad patzer move 90% of the time.

As a KID player, I am more than happy to meet the Four pawns variation and I feel like it's Black who dictates at move 6 where the game goes, at least on the modern line.

Thanks for the input Merovwig...I'll have to take a look at that Na6.  Yes, I was looking for something by White to combat the KID.   Yep, Black indeed dictates where the game goes at his move 6.

I've found something for the time being for White...

1.d4,Nf6 2.c4,g6 3.Nc3,Bg7 4.e4,d6 5.f4,0-0 6.Nf3,e5 7.dxe5,Ng4 (not wanting to trade Q's)

8.h3,Nh6 9.g4!,f6 10.Qd5+!,Kh8 11.exf6,Bxf6 (may actually be the best move for black even if he sees the tactic coming)

12. g5!  makes for a piece up and interesting command for white.

6...e5?! is dubious at best and White should take with the f-pawn rather than the d-pawn.

Against 6...c5, the main line, 7.d5 and then try to prepare for e5.

Against 6...Na6, it's about understanding the theory behind it rather than just blindly saying it's a patzer move.  It's been a while since I played the KID-4 Pawns Attack, but I used to years ago, and I seem to recall White's main options being 7.e5 and 7.Bd3 against 6...Na6.  Possibly 7.Be2 was a third option.

Yeah, Be2 is the best move against Na6.

dxe5 is a Houdini move. . . and White still has the advantage, taking with the f pawn gives Black a very slight advant.

I underline that I did not say ...Na6 is a patzer move. On the contrary, I said that too often, unaware White players wrongly see it as such (Knight on the edge syndrome).

Really? Wow, you should tell that to GM Semkov, who has written a 4 pawns monograph (for white) and claims that the right move is 7.dxe5.

Actually this does not give white much, but 7.fxe5 gives even less...

And yes, it seems that 6...Na6 is a patzer move. Only woodpushers like Kasparov have played it...

On the serious side: GM Nikolaidis has played this move (6...e5!?) some 20 years ago against 4 pawns expert GM Banikas (we were playing at the same team). I told him he was crazy, and that 6...e5 just cannot be good, but apparently he was right, and I was wrong...

Merovwig - Clearly neither you nor pfren understand what I'm saying either.  Re-read the sentence.  I never said it's a patzer move (pfren) or say that anyone else called it patzer move (Merovwig).

What I said was that White - whoever White may be in any given game, needs to not view it as a patzer move, or in other words, get the attitude out of his mind that Black's move is a patzer move, because it's not, and needs to instead understand the ideas behind the line.  Many players see anything but the main line (6...c5 in this case) as a patzer move, and that's just not the attitude to take.

That said, I was also speaking that if White removes that ignorant attitude about 6...Na6, that it's not like it's a sudden intervention that just outright refutes the Four Pawns Attack, and that White does actually have resources against 6...Na6, but that the approach that must be taken can't be robotic, and you can't just assume that what works against 6...c5 will also work against 6...Na6.

I still don't buy into 6...e5 being any good.  Never said 6...Na6 is a patzer move.  Again, simply saying that White's problems are often attitude more than anything else when it comes to 6...Na6.

6...e5 is a good move, and nobody really cares if ThrillerFan buys it, or not.

Whatever advantage white may have is in the following line. Jobava's 15.Bf3 leads to a completely level ending, but other tries for an improvement do not seem to offer much, too.

"that it's not like it's a sudden intervention that just outright refutes the Four Pawns Attack"

Why are you always such a sour donkey with everyone, Yuri? ;)

Here you go again. Being nice must trigger something really painful to you. Try smiling without scaring kids, it's a good start. ;)

And I didn't say you said there was a refutation to something in this opening. You are actually the one wrongly saying that ThrillerFan said so.

No I guess you asked no one's permission to be mean either.

And talking about chess does not mean there is a need for talking down people or being passive/aggressive, even when you feel that, somehow, they offended a chess line you like.

Check your week contributions. I'm not even the first one who dared make you this light remark. I even put a smiley on it so that you don't jump the gun.

Whether you heard it or not, I'm done with it. Have a nice day. :)