Make White understand that the d4 square is a giant hole. Defending e5 is not a huge concern, if White takes it, e4 will be retaken by soon usually.
I was on the white side for a long time before I understood this is just the wrong way to play the KID.
If White could play c4-c3 he would be better, but this is just not possible... I usually resorted to the dubious c4-c5 (to free c4 for the bishop), but it weakens.
I once played this against a higher rated opponent because i wanted to draw but that game was the most boring crap ever.I got a draw but it was fuggin boring.
9...c6 is fully playable and fine for Black but you have to know how to handle the positions after 10. Nxe5 Re8 11. O-O-O! or even the crude 11.f4, so you do need to learn something. The advantage of this move order is that White may be used to getting a quick Nd5 in and become confused.
9...Re8 is an old move and very reliable.
A more modern approach is the counterintuitive 9...Rf8. There are a few ideas, one of which, is that 0-0-0 could be met by Nbd7. With the R on e8 in that position, White would have annoying Nb5 ideas.
If white ever takes on f6 and goes Nd5 he just has a very bad position. In your line after 13.Ne3 above white is just much worse. Black has the B pair, White has two ugly central pawns impeding his light squared bishop and his dark square control is pitiful.
Yeah ... the computers don't like to capture the knight on f6 with the bishop (I just checked)... however it looked like a problem for a short term plan to win a pawn and to weaken blacks structure - after all black is forced to play with most pieces on the back rank for a while, and white probably has an easier opening with some short term initiative, and perhaps more serious positional issues to resolve in the long term.
The position you talked about ...
I think this could easily occur in an internet blitz game.
In my opinion black has the problem that white is going to double rooks and dominate the d-file. It is difficult to make the d4 square look like a weakness, perhaps castling long was wrong in this line.
White's position above is fairly horrible - I'd already consider it to be almost losing vs a strong player. Doubling on the d file does absolutely nothing - there are no entry points for White's rooks in Black's camp (and Rd1-d2 can always be hit by ...Ba5) . Black will calmly play Na6-c5, Kg7, f6, Be6, Bb6 etc depending on circumstnces and slowly build up while white has nothing constructive to do.
If it's not obvious immediately why White's position above is so dubious I would forget about analysing the opening completely and investigate some essential positional ideas. (I don't mean that unkindly)
I think its just hard to find a good move, most of the horse play is locked out by blacks pawns, black has a very easy plan for development, white has h4-h5 and maybe g4 to try a hack attack, however the more open the position becomes, the better blacks bishops become. Its interesting, however I dont concede that Bxf6 and 0-1 at this early stage.
Here is an article on the newer Rf8 idea. Personally find it a bit strange, the old and good re8 is more my taste.
http://www.chess.com/article/view/a-visit-from-the-queenless-squad
thanks for sharing ... great example link, exactly what I was looking for.
The line in the first game appeared in my analysis, however I played Rf3 instead of Re3.
I didn't find the line in the 2nd game however, the tactics were similar to the line when white imediately captures on e5 instead of playing Bg5.
I totally agree with the above suggestions; normally, I play ...Re8 first, followed by c6.
__vxD_mAte, since you're at the 1800 level (your chess.com online rating), I don't think anyone playing White will play this, or only very rarely. I have a 1900 USCF rating, and I play the King's Indian Defense, and I haven't seen the Exchange Variation in a very very very long time.
I played this line in online chess and multiple times in live chess, and in live chess I had to face the Bg5 move one time when I was very tired, I made a mistake and played Na6 and h6 instead of the reccomended Re8 and c6 :/
Bologan thinks 9...Rf8 10Nxe5 is the main problem with Rf8 line. The immediate 9Nxe5 Nxe4 10Nxe4 Bxe5 11Bg5 is nothing for white because black can play Re8. It is one of the strange little mistakes of Bologan's book, is that doesn't seem to realise 11...Rf8 transposes and gives analysis for 12Bf6 from this move order, whilst in more common one analysis of 120.0.0 to advantage.
what should black do now ?