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Why does no one play the kings gambit these days? I have started to play it in blitz matchs at 1000 elo and most people end up throwing the game. Its actually a quiet sound opening because it works with many lines and cant be countered easily. I dont see why more people dont play it and instead spam the Queens gambit.
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Original_Chess_Player wrote:
Why does no one play the kings gambit these days? I have started to play it in blitz matchs at 1000 elo and most people end up throwing the game. Its actually a quiet sound opening because it works with many lines and cant be countered easily. I dont see why more people dont play it and instead spam the Queens gambit.

The fact that you are 1000 thoroughly explains why you would think that. As a 2064 player over the board, and as a Petroff player, I can tell you that my favorite opening to face as Black is the King's Gambit. It is way too weak for White. LOTS of good options for Black. The line I specifically play is the Modern Variation, but to limit White's options, I do it through the Faulkbeer Counter-Gambit move order.

1.e4 e5 2.f4? d5! 3.exd5 exf4 (NOT 3...e4, which is the Faulkbeer proper, and is very dubious).

After 4.Nf3 (the main move), this is the same as 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd5 without allowing the 3.Bc4 lines. White has no other good move besides 3.exd5, and 3.fxe5 is an outright blunder.

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I'm a mere 1950. And @ThrillerFan whupped me in the middlegame when I dared to play the KG against him in a Daily game. I freely admit he is the better player of the two of us. His approach against the KG is a very, very strong one indeed. But at 1000 Elo or even 1950 Elo the KG can be a lot of fun most of the time. 1000s tend not to play it much because there's a shedload of very concrete line-learning to do (one cannot get by just knowing the ideas), and having to handle the initiative with precision in lines where Black tries to hang onto material is challenging sub-c1700. One gaffe and you're grovelling in a bad/losing ending. The QG can be somewhat more "forgiving" for White.

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PS: my own experience with the KG is that the positions which one reaches from it are so "niche" that playing it doesn't evolve one's general understanding of middlegame positions in-general as rapidly as studyi g some other openings would. But like most things in chess and life that's a tradeoff not an absolute.

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I mean, it's fun in bullet or blitz, but that's about it. I had an opponent of similar rating in a Daily Chess game and usually I play the French but just because I saw he plays the King's Gambit, I played 1...e5 - with opening explorer allowed, I maybe needed to make 2-3 moves on my own when it was already over... so yeah... avoid in longer time controls

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@Ze_Shoopuf I do wonder what on earth your opponent was intending there.

The Allgaier Gambit is likely busted anyway, but 7. d4 or 7. Nc3 or 7. Bc4+ would at least offer chances for complications.

7. Qxg4? is definitely busted, and the refutation you played (rather picturesquely known as the "Horny Defence") was known in the nineteenth century.

But that's not to detract from you in any way. You demolished White nicely there. Well Played, definitely a Well-Deserved Victory.

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@RalphHayward "Horny Defence"? Great stuff, glad I played it grin. All good, I only posted this for illustration purposes not to play busted openings in formats with opening explorer allowed. Iirc i played Ng3 and Re8 by myself - fine moves but no rocket science happy

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[Edited having found more information] @Ze_Shoopuf I kid you not. Genuinely the Horny Defence. A name from a time gone by; invented by Herr Horny (titter ye not); before the word came to imply antics in the bedroom department. https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Allgaier-Horny-Defense

What follows is how the line appears in Staunton's "The Chess Player's Handbook" (1842) with original Victorian annotations converted to Algebraic Notation.

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White is not worse in the King's Gambit. But I doubt it is a good opening choice, because Black has about one dozen of ways to get a very good game - including offbeat stuff like Yusupov's 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nf6!?

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White is not worse in the King's Gambit. But I doubt it is a good opening choice, because Black has about one dozen of ways to get a very good game - including offbeat stuff like Yusupov's 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nf6!?

Yeah, it is not much worse for White. Not claiming to be an expert, but after some engine clicking it's not obvious to me how White equalizes after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 (3.Bc4 c6) g5

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Ze_Shoopuf wrote:
pfren wrote:

White is not worse in the King's Gambit. But I doubt it is a good opening choice, because Black has about one dozen of ways to get a very good game - including offbeat stuff like Yusupov's 1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nf6!?

Yeah, it is not much worse for White. Not claiming to be an expert, but after some engine clicking it's not obvious to me how White equalizes after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 (3.Bc4 c6) g5

Both 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 and 4.Nc3 are OK for White. Even the speculative 4.d4 g4 5.Ne5 Qh4+ 6.g3 fxg3 7.Qxg4 may be OK.

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Original_Chess_Player wrote:
Why does no one play the kings gambit these days? I have started to play it in blitz matchs at 1000 elo and most people end up throwing the game. Its actually a quiet sound opening because it works with many lines and cant be countered easily. I dont see why more people dont play it and instead spam the Queens gambit.

Of course you’d think that. at 1000 elo the opening theory isn’t the problem, basic eyesight is. Games aren’t decided by deep prep. They are decided by who hangs fewer pieces.

It only works because you’re swimming comfortably in a pool where theory is nonexistent and positional understanding is 0

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