I recommend players that want to play the KID to first learn how to properly study an opening, not many chess.com users know how to do it.
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May 1, 2017
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BronsteinPawn wrote:
I recommend players that want to play the KID to first learn how to properly study an opening, not many chess.com users know how to do it.
Especially the author of the original post! He loves that AWESOME bishop on g7. In the main line, Mar Del Plata (i.e. 9.Ne1), that g7-Bishop is about as awesome as the c8-Bishop is in the French Advance Variation! (I play both openings as Black and the latter as White as well - trust me, I'd know)
May 1, 2017
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ThrillerFan escribió:
BronsteinPawn wrote:
I recommend players that want to play the KID to first learn how to properly study an opening, not many chess.com users know how to do it.
Especially the author of the original post! He loves that AWESOME bishop on g7. In the main line, Mar Del Plata (i.e. 9.Ne1), that g7-Bishop is about as awesome as the c8-Bishop is in the French Advance Variation! (I play both openings as Black and the latter as White as well - trust me, I'd know)
I agree, in most variations the bishop ends up being crap and in many lines you will see Bh6 as an idea and a god´s gift, but hey, the bishop is like a SNIPER, or at least that is what GingerGM told me...
There are some lines where the bishop is cool, but most of the time it is crappadoccio, I think it is still interesting tho, because without that crappy bishop the KID would not be the KID...
May 1, 2017
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intermediatedinoz escribió:
I thought the bishop on c8 is awesome in the KID, as a matter of fact in some lines Black is content with leaving the rook on a8 unprotected for the sake of that light squared bishop.
As far as the French defence goes the bishop on c8 can not damage White as much as the bishop on b4. But what do I know.
You are not winning or losing because of a single bishop, if I were to be saying something relevant on the subject.
I think you misunderstood him...
The bishop on c8 in the KID is pretty good, and crucial for the attack, however he is comparing the bishop on g7 in the KID to the bishop on c8 in the French Advance, both are bad bishops.
May 2, 2017
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ThrillerFan wrote:
BronsteinPawn wrote:
I recommend players that want to play the KID to first learn how to properly study an opening, not many chess.com users know how to do it.
Especially the author of the original post! He loves that AWESOME bishop on g7. In the main line, Mar Del Plata (i.e. 9.Ne1), that g7-Bishop is about as awesome as the c8-Bishop is in the French Advance Variation! (I play both openings as Black and the latter as White as well - trust me, I'd know)
Trillerfan, you are correct in Mar Del Plata but in other line the black bishop can be deadly; especially in lines when pawn break with c5. What make KID incredible its flexibility and its aggressive and dynamic defense, especially against a weak player.
May 2, 2017
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Well it is Benoni if you play ...c5 in the second move but should it be Benoni too if you play c5 in 6th move? c5 is also played in French defense so should we call it Franco-Sicilian defense? 😀
I have been playing lately exclusively the King's Indian Attack (Reti Opening), and as black the King's Indian Defense (for d4) and the Pirc Defense (for e4).
They all share similar traits. I have found that I started to win much more once I started using these openings. I feel more confortable and less vulnerable, specially against very sharp, agressive players. I have time to do a positional game, changing into a tactical one at the end. Also, the King's Indian offer me opportunities to end the game sometimes while there a lot of pieces around - by sacrificing some to open the kingside castle. I do like these mates since I'm not an expert on king-pawn-piece endings.
Also, I would like to ask if there are any experts in the King's Indian that would help me analyze some of my games and found good countermeasures against some lines and attacks by white. Post me a message if you are willing to do so. Thanks!
May 2, 2017
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There are much more variations that white doesn't play cxd5 https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-quick-guide-to-the-benoni-defense
BronsteinPawn wrote:
c5 is a Benoni not a KID.
In the four pawn attack, black plays pawn break c5, in some lines c5 pawn break makes more sense. In the Averbahk variation c5 pawn break is better than e5. KID is very flexible and tricky.
Again KID is extremely flexible, put away your bias and where you think bishop should go for black.
King's indian defense is purely calculation and understanding the position, you must have a feel what position needs and not some bias ideas where the pieces need to be at. You can see the black white bishop had a different purpose, it was to put pressure on d4 square. I personally dislike 6.Bd3, it give black good chances for a win. I play black after 6.Bd3 any day, because I understand that Bg4 is a good move.
I remember seeing 6.Bd3 called inaccurate in the book New York 1924.
If I remember correctly, Alekhine said that best would be to lose a tempo with 7.Be2 (after 6...Bg4)
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logozar wrote:
I remember seeing 6.Bd3 called inaccurate in the book New York 1924.
If I remember correctly, Alekhine said that best would be to lose a tempo with 7.Be2 (after 6...Bg4)
I actually forgot that. Alekhine was truly ahead of his time, some opening he had a deep understanding, and others he did not understand some of the lines in the Sicilian. He advocated the Four pawn attack in the KID. Do you remember what he said why 6.Bd3 is not accurate. I think the queen help to protect the d4-pawn better, that is why 6.Be2 is better; in the Saemisch variation white is never develop on Bd3, doesn't adequate protect d4-pawn.
What chess opening did former World Chess Champions Bobby Fischer, Garry Kasparov, and Mikhail Tal all play?
What chess opening has wreaked havoc on white, destroying 1. d4 with tactical madness?
THE KING'S INDIAN DEFENSE!!!
There are many ways to play the King's Indian Defense (KID) but very often the key themes are transferable no matter which variation is chosen.
Black has an awesome dark-squared fianchettoed bishop on ..g7 and he will try to combine that with pressure on the dark squares in the center via ..e5 or ..c5 breaks (often playing ..a5 to control more dark squares on the queenside).
So like many other openings, key theoretical variations need to be learned but once you get to know the opening better, you will be able to navigate the different variations easily.
This is the starting point of the principal variation of the King's Indian Defense, resulting after:
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Be2
KID
Black has several choices for this 6th move, all with slightly different but related plans. Options include 6. ..e5, c5, c6, Na6, and Nbd7.
The main line is to move the e-pawn to e5 and challenge the center immediately.
From there we could go for the typical middlegame plan where black attacks on the kingside and white on the queenside.
Black could also go for a quick ...exd4 and try to neutralize white's plan with rapid pressure on the center.
These are all good options for black but many fear that white will go for the exchange variation after ...e5 with 7.dxe5 dxe5 and then 8.Qxd8. While black doesn't have any problems in these lines, many KID players prefer to keep the queens on for more attacking chances later on.
The main problem for club level players under 2000 FIDE is that you have to prioritize your studying time in what is most important.
The King's Indian Defense is an exceptionally powerful opening, but the theory behind the main line is very complicated and extensively studied.
Also the main lines are so double-edged that any mistake will cost you the game!
That's why I recommend 6. ..Na6 - a sideline that has recently become very popular as black achieves active play for his minor pieces in the center by immediately challenging black on the dark squares and achieving great squares for the black knights.
We are taught that knights shouldn't go to the rim but the thing with chess is once you learn the rules then, and only then, can you think about breaking them!
The knight usually ends up on c5 but going via a6 instead of d7 offers black more options with the light squared bishop in some lines and also the protection of c7 can be important (especially for black in the early queen exchange variations with dxe5!)
6. ..Na6 is a typical modern move!
I've tried this variation out with good success and I can fully recommend it to you as an effective opening to fight for the win with black! -GM Damian Lemos