Kings Indian Attack

Hi guys

If this has been posted before, i apologise but any links to info would be greatly appreciated.

I've only just discovered the KIA and I want to know if its still feasible to play KIA after

1. e4 e5

I feel like i can still continue with 3.g3 4. Bg2 and develop without many major threats from Black.

It just seems that every post or video i have found refers to KIA against French, but surely it's solid against a a wider range of black's defences.

Cancel....Just found one. 

It's the King's Pawn opening with Kingside Fianchetto. I play KIA with pawns on g3 and d3. Usually, I don't wanna block my LSB with the pawn on e4.

But surely it can still play into the KIA, the moves are just in a differnet order.

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Yeah, sorry, I've corrected my message.

The only reason i played 1.e4 was to delay the opponent knowing i intended to play KIA. By playing 1. Nf6 he knows straight away that's the route im  likely to go down. 

I have seen 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 g3 discussed in a Four Knights Game book. A Vienna Game book discussed 1 e4 e5 2 Nc3 Nf6 3 g3. The name, Glek, seems to be associated with this sort of thing.

Two problems with your line of thought:

1) The KIA is weak against 1...e5.  Even KIA books will tell you that one.  Hence why the chapters you see are ones like "KIA vs Sicilian" or "KIA vs French or "KIA vs Caro-Kann", etc.  There is no "KIA against 1...e5" chapter in these books because the line stinks!

2) You can't totally force the KIA if you do it via 1.e4.  There is one opening that prevents the KIA.  That's the Scandinavian Defense (1...d5).  If you want 100% assurance of a KIA, you have to play 1.Nf3, and that doesn't show obvious intent of a KIA.  1.Nf3 can also lead to a Reti, almost any Queen Pawn Opening, English, or even transpose to the Sicilian!  For example:  1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.e4 and you have the Accelerated Dragon!

yeah it's right back to movement side to track exact understood variable corner controler

yeah it's right back to movement side to track exact understood variable corner controler

yeah it's right back to movement side to track exact understood variable corner controler

yeah it's right back to movement side to track exact understood variable corner controler

I just did a little study of this, more in depth than I have done before. There is a tendency for kingside fianchettos in the Double Kings Pawn Game (1. e4 e5) to be poor for White, and g3 is always way down on the ranked list of options for White in such openings. However, statistically I also noticed this trend to be reversed in variations of the Four Knights Game. I'm not sure what to make of that, other than maybe the element of surprise.

The 3-element vectors below mean [% White wins, % nobody wins, % Black wins]. In most cases White's percentage decreases and Black's percentage increases when White plays g3 in that position, as compared to White's #1 choice in that position. In some openings like the Ruy Lopez and Bishop's Opening, g3 is not even listed in the database as an option for White, which means in practice nobody plays it at those positions.

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1. e4 e5 {Double King's Pawn Game.}

2. Nf3 {'Leonardo Attack.' #1 pop. w 41%. [41% 31% 28%].}
...
2. g3 {"Polk Attack." #10 pop. b 46%. [32% 22% 46%]. White does worse, Black does better.}

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1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 {'Leonardo Attack.'} Nc6 {'Sokolov Defense.'}

3. Bb5 {Ruy Lopez. #1 pop. w 39%. [39% 36% 26%].}
...
3. g3 {#8 pop. b 44%. [32% 24% 44%]. White does worse, Black does better.}

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1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nf6 {Petrov's Defense.}

3. Nxe5 {'Perigal Attack.' #1 pop. n 42%. [38% 42% 20%].}
...
3. g3 {#12 pop. b 67%. [0% 33% 67%]. White does worse, Black does better.}

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1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Nc3 {Three Knights Game.} Nf6 {Four Knights Game.}

4. Bb5 {Spanish Variation. #1 pop. w 36%. [36% 34% 30%].}
...
4. g3 {"Glek Attack." #4 pop. w 42%. [42% 33% 25%]. White does better, Black does worse.}

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1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Nc3 {Three Knights Game.} Bc5 {"Romanishin Defense."}

4. Bc4 {#1 pop. b 53%. [33% 15% 53%].}
...
4. g3 {#6 pop. w 47%. [47% 19% 34%]. White does better, Black does worse.}

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1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Nc3 {Three Knights Game.} Bb4 {"Schlechter Defense."}

4. Bc4 {"De Ridder Attack." #1 pop. w 51%. [51% 16% 34%].}
...
4. g3 {#8 pop. wb 50%. [50% 0% 50%]. White does worse, Black does better.}

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1. e4 e5
2. Nc3 {Vienna Game.} Nf6 {Falkbeer Variation.}

3. f4 {"Brodie Attack." #1 pop. w 47%. [47% 22% 31%].}

...
3. g3 {Paulsen-Mieses Variation. #3 pop. w 42%. [42% 30% 27%]. White does worse, Black does worse.}

If you are interested in the King's Indian Attack, there is a dedicated chess.com group on the KIA.

The only rational reason to adopt this move order (instead of 2.Nc3/3.g3, when the bishop at g2 will exert some central influence for awhile, or the Glek system) would be (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.g3 Bc5) 4.Nxe5. But here the extra tempo is harmful: Black can simply play 4.Nxe5? Nxe5 5.d4 Bxd4, when white cannot take the bishop because of his g2-g3 extra tempo.

Of course white is not worse after 3.g3, but this is probably the one and only good thing about it. Some good players, like OTB FM / ICCF SIM Andrey Nekhaev are using it with some regularity, but their ambition is ending the theoretical discussion very early.

KIA against 1...e5 is a bad idea. But the repertoire featuring one of the normal king's pawn openings, and then choosing between KIA and other options against French, Sicilian and Caro-Kann would be a thing of beauty.