Kings Indian but white plays e5 early?!


Thanks. I've walked thought the analysis myself a few times. The queen trade doesn't seem to help black but definitely not hurting. maybe its very strong could you explain? Also returning the Knight back to its starting square seems very counter productive and against basic opening principles nor is it a redirect but it's recommend by the opening book? I like this scenario where we wait till the 5th move for white to play E5. however in reality it seems to be happening more around the second, third and fourth move before black can fully get set up.

Blueemu, a far more realistic scenario of White playing 5.e5 is after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 O-O (This move is possible as 5.e5 is not good, but Black has to know the response like the back of his hand or he will be worse - if he knows the entire line, it's advantage black!) and now 5.e5?!

When White plays e4 you should play d6 to discourage the e4-e5 advance from White. White may still try to force e5 but this shouldn't worry you as White's center becomes very unstable after this. @blueemu showed one line where White is punished after an early e5.
Here is another common way White goes wrong:

I'm seeing it now. If white has e5 available it's no stress for black as long as black had already played d6 or plays d6. I was getting caught running around with my knight because I hadn't played d6 yet. Now I realize you have to change the order of the first 3 in moves in the KID depending on how white moves..very basic answer really. I wanna say I got bad advice on " you must play in this order 1. e4 Nf6 " but I made that up lol 1.e4 d6 would be wiser . thanks