King's pawn opening [ e4 ] not played at high levels!

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rooperi

I just downloaded the last 20 TWIC pgns, 12,168 d4 opening, 16,666 e4 openings

Chess_Lover11

Surprised

Chess_Lover11

Hello Nm tonydal can you tell us which opening you play often with white in big tournaments to produce a win!

Thank you in advance.Smile

Regards,

Prakash

Chess_Lover11

I mean king's pawn opening or queen's pawn opening.

Azukikuru

There is a difference in the number of e4 and d4 players, but not at the top level: rather, at the lower levels. When you start learning chess, you usually begin with the e4 openings. So, it's hard to find many players rated below, say, 1400, who play 1.d4. So, to someone emerging from that group of players, it may seem like 1.e4 suddenly loses popularity as one's rating increases - because, in that ratings range, it actually does.

I originally converted to 1.d4 basically because opponents at my level were less prepared to meet that first move, and it gave me an advantage. Now that I'm at a rating where it doesn't make that much difference, I still prefer to play it because I'm now better versed in its openings. It scares me to think how I would do against someone rated around 2000 if I started with 1.e4...

Phobetrix
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magnum

you want to play e4 or d4/c4/nf3 compl. based on your style.usually e4  come with open game and rest come with closed game structure.So it depends on your style.About gm level i think d4 is more new than e4(like Mamedyarov's 5.g4 against ponomariov in dortmund this year).so there are more chance for novelty.

sayouka
i think there's an another reason maybe the king opening lead more naturally to a combination game ( particularly with the several gambits ) rather than positionnal and tactical game with the other openings. if you want to have fun play the king openings e4/e5 or e4/others responses.Smile
Ravi_classic_game

There is nothing wrong with e4 opening.

Chess_Lover11

Yea i also think so now, cause i have watched games of GM with e4 opening recently in rapid chess tournament.Wink

Chess_Lover11

But i have noticed that the games with e4 openings at the GM level, leads to a draw most of the times!

So thats why i think it wasn't played in the world championship matches between topalov and anand!Wink

Tricklev

The difference in draws between 1.e4 and 1.d4 is barelly existant.

The reason why 1.e4 wasn't played between Topalov and Kramnik is quite obvious, Kramnik didn't want to give Topalov the opportunity to play the Sicilian, or any other opening that tries to force it into a complicated tactical struggle, that's where Topalov shines. Topalov didn't want to try and grind down a slightly better endgame against Kramnik's Berlin or Petroff, since that's what Kramnik excells in.

Anand didn't play 1.d4 against Topalov for the same reason, Topalov loves the sharp sicilian, so why give it to him? Why not grind him down in the extremely uncomfortable Catalan instead?

And these are just speculations, they probably had even more reasons for chosing the openings they did, just as Topalov probably had his reasons for chosing 1.d4.

3 WC matches are just to little to base a opinion on, what decided their opening move was match tactics, not that 1.e4 is objectively worse.

 

Let's not forget that the Kramnik vs Leko WC match was played mainly in 1.e4, and since then there has only been 3 WC matches.

darshandatta
Thanks a lot for the data. I am used to play king pawn opening. So whenever someone says that e4 opening is out of style it irritates me
darshandatta
Thanks a lot for the data. I am used to play king pawn opening. So whenever someone says that e4 opening is out of style it irritates me
JustALifeOfChess

I don't think the queen's pawn opening is not that good.
If someone plays 1.d5 after 1.d4 then you'll probably crush them with openings like the queen's gambit, or something. 
But that isn't always the case. There are countless other better moves like e6, d6, Nf6, e5, c5 and even Nc3.

Uhohspaghettio1

Sigh, another thread over 10 years old now bumped again. I have asked chess.com to close old threads many times.

1. e4 never of course went away. But it is true that the trend seemed substantially in favour of 1. d4 at the time around 2010 when it was posted, especially at world championship level. And could 1. d4 end up taking over at the elite level?

The answer is no - with Ding-Nepo 2023 having an almost equal mix of d4 and e4. Which is quite extraordinary when you think about it that neither move can be said to have edged out the other.

daragonk3

:river :river

daragonk3

:grimace :grimace

CaroKannE4C6

E4 is played at high level. It is the most popular move on master level.
WHAT E4 OPENINGS SHOULD YOU PLAY:
Vienna System
Italian Game
Evans Gambit
Fried Liver Attack