King's Pawn Opening: Damiano Defence 2...f6 is not a good move!!

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TDMinh

If 3...g6 White will 4.He5+, Please comment if you have idea to play after 4.Hh5+. Thanks

Nerwal

All this is well-known. It is also well-known that after 6. Bc4+, Black should play the more stubborn 6... d5 covering f5 square. White then has to find or to know two precise moves in order to win after 7. Bxd5+ Kg6, namely 8. h4! h6 9. Bxb7!.

mattk2013
D5 after Bc4
darkunorthodox88

3...qe7 keeps black in the game, although white keeps a large advantage

poucin

Congrats for discovering something known since Damiano about 5 centuries ago...

1g31-O
poucin wrote:

Congrats for discovering something known since Damiano about 5 centuries ago...

+1

TDMinh

Thanks everyone for helping me with this opening!

A-mateur

Damiano didn't recommend this defense. In fact, he said it was the worst of all against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3.

I have myself a question: what about 3...Qe7 after 3.Nxe5? Should white play 4.d4 or 4.Nf3? I believe the e5 knight is now seriously threatened by the f6 pawn. 

NikolaiSpongnikov
What if after 3.Nxe5 black plays 3...Qe7?
A-mateur

Thanks. 

TampaFanofChess

e4 e5 Nf3 f6 is very weak, white can take on e5 which is better for him, or he can play d4 which also gives white a better position. No point in f6 on move 2, a move that does not do anything and weakens the diagonal toward the king. 

Uhohspaghettio1

I thought 3. ...Qe7 might work as a gimmick, Chigorin even played it. However it just doesn't work, there are no real positives for black, he is just bad. In Chigorin's game he lost his queen early on but still played well - he then missed a mate in six starting with move 24 and again on move 25 in this remarkable game: 

 

poucin

https://www.chess.com/article/view/what-can-we-learn-from-this-horrible-game

TDMinh
pfren wrote:

3...Qe7 is a different move, and loses differently.

 

You made a nice board for me to discover!

TDMinh

That's a difficult opening, but I just want to say that "Thanks to everyone for helping me!"

TDMinh
A-mateur wrote:

Damiano didn't recommend this defense. In fact, he said it was the worst of all against 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3.

I have myself a question: what about 3...Qe7 after 3.Nxe5? Should white play 4.d4 or 4.Nf3? I believe the e5 knight is now seriously threatened by the f6 pawn. 

Thanks, but 3...Qe7 just a defend move, so 3.Ne5! is a best move for White.

TDMinh
TampaFanofChess wrote:

e4 e5 Nf3 f6 is very weak, white can take on e5 which is better for him, or he can play d4 which also gives white a better position. No point in f6 on move 2, a move that does not do anything and weakens the diagonal toward the king. 

You are right, TampaFanofChess!