London system or Stonewall attack?
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Pro and con?
Possibly of interest:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627074459/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen85.pdf
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Win_with_the_London_System.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/9035.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/7619.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627100246/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen139.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093403/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/tips.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Images/Pdfs/7656.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-perfect-opening-for-the-lazy-student
and there is also the Cyrus Lakdawala book, First Steps: The Colle and London System.
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-understand-openings
Stonewall-related advice for White can be found in Chess Psychology: The Will to Win by William Stewart.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708105336/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review901.pdf
Apr 18, 2017
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#3
Gin or vodka? Pro and con please! 
If U really expect some serious replies, maybe U need to precise how and why this dilemma has arisen.
btl1230 wrote:
btl1230 wrote: Pro and con?
Pro and con?
I prefer stonewall against computer. I dont know any theory except purely basic stuff. I'd love to know when to play one or the other depening on my opponents play. I also play Colle from time to time (Colle proper with 3.e3) and know when to deviate from it and play more like a Queens gambit setup. e.g. when black plays ..Bf5 and ...Bg4 lines.
Apr 19, 2017
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#7
London System is a much better opening, often turning into an improved Stonewall with the Bishop outside of the pawn chain
Actually as someone already mentioned the London can transpose into Stonewall if white playes Nf3, Ne5 and f4 with the bishop outside the pawn chain. Although I suspect that many London players play a move like h3 to preserve the dark squared bishop. This move is no good in the stonewall where you require the square h3 for a rook lift via f3. I get what you are saying though, Colle proper and Stonewall are more closley related. I never played Torre so I cannot comment.
Yigor wrote:
Gin or vodka? Pro and con please!
If U really expect some serious replies, maybe U need to precise how and why this dilemma has arisen.
Polish Vodka is the best. Some stupid old idiot put in it his coffee, I want to beat crap out of him, good vodka must be enjoy chill. 
If you must play the Stonewall, best result you must be totally drunk so when you lose you won't care. Please don't drink vodka its only for sophisticated, just drink cheap malt beer. 
yureesystem wrote:
If you must play the Stonewall, best result you must be totally drunk so when you lose you won't care. Please don't drink vodka its only for sophisticated, just drink cheap malt beer.
jengaias wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:
Actually as someone already mentioned the London can transpose into Stonewall if white playes Nf3, Ne5 and f4 with the bishop outside the pawn chain. Although I suspect that many London players play a move like h3 to preserve the dark squared bishop. This move is no good in the stonewall where you require the square h3 for a rook lift via f3. I get what you are saying though, Colle proper and Stonewall are more closley related. I never played Torre so I cannot comment.
London can't transpose to Stonewall.There are cases where white plays f4 but that doesn't transpose to Stonewall although the pawn structure is identical.It is more common for white to play f4 in Torre attack, where the bishop is already at g5.
Now we are simply splitting hairs.
Apr 20, 2017
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yureesystem wrote:
Yigor wrote:
Gin or vodka? Pro and con please!
If U really expect some serious replies, maybe U need to precise how and why this dilemma has arisen.
Polish Vodka is the best. Some stupid old idiot put in it his coffee, I want to beat crap out of him, good vodka must be enjoy chill.
Zubrowka opening!
Apr 20, 2017
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#14
Taking (almost) any 2 openings X and Y, U can find their common successor making a certain quantity of legal moves. In this sense, (almost) any openings transpose to each other.