Looking for a 1.d4 book about the Petrosian Version or the Bayonetta Attack against the KID

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Neko_Nuke

Hey guys,

title pretty much. Videos Series is okay too. Would be happy if it also inclues the other sidelines against KID and the modern too.

Thanks a lot!

ThrillerFan

You are not going to find books exclusively on that.

 

Pretty much any Classical Kings Indian book will cover the Petrosian and the Bayonet.  Some are repertoire books.  There is an objective book from 2009, The Classical Kings Indian Uncovered, which includes those lines but is not confined to that.

 

Petrosian on the Kings Indian likely has a lot of 7.d5 games.

 

I know that Cummings' book on the English from about 3 years ago recommends the Petrosian against the Kings Indian.

 

There is also chesspublishing.com.

Lion_kingkiller

Petrosian. Not bad. Not best. Go for Averbakh or Samisch instead. Get the W, bro.

FizzyBand
Lion_kingkiller wrote:

Petrosian. Not bad. Not best. Go for Averbakh or Samisch instead. Get the W, bro.

dude while the Petrosian is strong but probably not critical the Averbakh is just a mediocre sideline and the Samisch is similar to the Petrosian in strength. The "critical tests" are definitely entering the Mar del Plata jungles with either 9.Ne1 or the Bayonet (9.b4). Personally I've always found the Bayonet as the hardest line for me to face as Black can't just attack and needs to find some precise pawn moves on the queenside at times to maintain the balance.

Lion_kingkiller

Averbakh scores around 40% win rate, for White... Samisch can Stop a kingside attack in its tracks. I love the KID, just saying.

benonidoni
Lion_kingkiller wrote:

Petrosian. Not bad. Not best. Go for Averbakh or Samisch instead. Get the W, bro.

I like the Gligoric System of the Kings Indian for White where BE3 is played. All of those long lines learned by memory get eliminated and found many on blacks side are unfamiliar with this line compared with the Kings Indian Main Line. Bishop can go to g5 and then h4 and pin queen or go back to c1.

ThrillerFan

One and only one line got me to quit playing the King's Indian, and that's 13.Rc1 in the Classical.  Everything else is totally defendable for Black!

Lion_kingkiller

And that's the flaw with the KID? White has about 20 viable options... and can adopt one as a pet line. Samisch, Fianchetto, Averbakh, etc. And you have to learn how to deal with Any possibility.

FizzyBand
Lion_kingkiller wrote:

And that's the flaw with the KID? White has about 20 viable options... and can adopt one as a pet line. Samisch, Fianchetto, Averbakh, etc. And you have to learn how to deal with Any possibility.

To be honest that isn’t so much a fatal flaw as most openings work that way.

For example, against the Nimzo White can play 4. a3, Nf3, e3, Bg5, f3, g3, Qb3, Qc2, or just avoid the Nimzo with 3. Nf3 or g3

bong711
ThrillerFan wrote:

One and only one line got me to quit playing the King's Indian, and that's 13.Rc1 in the Classical.  Everything else is totally defendable for Black!

Would you post all the moves before 13. Rc1

FizzyBand
bong711 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

One and only one line got me to quit playing the King's Indian, and that's 13.Rc1 in the Classical.  Everything else is totally defendable for Black!

Would you post all the moves before 13. Rc1



bong711
FizzyBand wrote:
bong711 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

One and only one line got me to quit playing the King's Indian, and that's 13.Rc1 in the Classical.  Everything else is totally defendable for Black!

Would you post all the moves before 13. Rc1



Thanks! 13. Rc1 isn't in my repertoire against the KID. I'm behind Opening Theory happy.png

ThrillerFan
bong711 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

One and only one line got me to quit playing the King's Indian, and that's 13.Rc1 in the Classical.  Everything else is totally defendable for Black!

Would you post all the moves before 13. Rc1

 

The following is the game that ultimately did me in.  When I was playing it over the board, for some reason, nobody has ever played it, but every time I have dreaded facing this line.  Now, in a correspondence game (where bots are allowed, this is ICCF, not Chess.com), I face it, and I'm almost positive that White had a win somewhere by deviating between moves 20 and 40.  Even if not, for Black to have to play this many counter-intuitive only moves just to barely survive is not my definition of something I want to be doing in the long run.

 

By the way, 21...Nf8 was my own intervention as nothing I have seen played before seemed to work at all for Black.  This should not have worked either, but it was tricky enough to somehow fool him and his bot.

 

This game spanned April 14th to July 2nd of this year.

 

 

Uhohspaghettio1

Seems a bit like a highschool physics student asking for a technical manual on a building a state of the art rocket - it may sound cool but you will likely get in over your head and never use hardly any of it. You might find a nice chapter about it in a d4 book explaining all the main concepts and variations, that's what you need. You can use databases, articles, computers and perhaps youtube videos for other research on it. 

Do you know a chapter's worth of material on it already? I mean that's your starting point. You have to completely know a d4 repertoire before you would focus so much on any one opening you're looking for a book about it. 

Srimurugan108

Splendid attack to say the least there were not many options that he had 

ThrillerFan
zurkhaneh10 wrote:

Splendid attack to say the least there were not many options that he had 

 

Are you referring to the game in post 13?  And if so, are you saying White or Black had the splendid attack?  I was Black in this game, and from about move 20 to the end of the game, all I am doing is trying to survive.  Usually by move 20 or so, machines can usually assess more accurately than in the opening.  Stockfish 11 had this around -1.8 by move 20, despite it all pretty much being book.

 

White had alternatives, especially in the 20s, that looked really attractive for him.

Ignarski

Cox's Starting Out 1d4! is a repertoire book and chooses the bayonet against the KID.

Lion_kingkiller

Averbakh. W. Simple as.

Neko_Nuke

@Ignarski Thanks a lot! Looks promising.

@Uhohspaghettio1 I already have a full opening repertoire with 1.d4. The problem is, after 1.d4 d6 I dont want to play c4 cause of e5 and I dont want to play e4 either, possible transposing into a Pirc. Thats why i want to play 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3. Normally I would play the Sämisch against the KID. This moveroder brings me out of my normal repertoire tho. So now I am looking for an alternative with Nf3.

 

Lion_kingkiller

Play the fianchetto then. Stops a kingside attack, solid game.