chesster3145 wrote:
-After 1... e5, d2-d4 isn't possible for a while.
Actually Basman has played 1.g4 e5 2.d4 in several occasions.
Make The Grob Opening Strong?
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Jul 20, 2016
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#43
pfren wrote:
chesster3145 wrote:
-After 1... e5, d2-d4 isn't possible for a while.
Actually Basman has played 1.g3 e5 2.d4 in several occasions.
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Jul 20, 2016
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#44
Ray960 wrote:
Because going down -0.50 one move into the game as White is just so desirable.
Why didn't I play 1...h5 again?
Well, that's good actually, you are a pawn down.
4. g5 is infinitely better than 4. Qf3.
I wouldn't advice any player to play the Grob, unless you like to lose. 
wait so jengias left
A master could give me Grob and pawn odds, and I'd still probably lose, lol.
Very funny discussion.
The Grob is not bad, it is simply lost.
Probably the only first white move that loses.
Engine stats at long TC show about 87% performance for black, with
a very large quota of wins and no losses.
Another interesting thing is why after 1. g4?? d5 2. Bg2 black does not play e5(obviously best)?
2...Bg4 seems like a very unnatural move.
Much stronger than the Grob is 1. Nh3 d5, and now white has a single drawing move.
How many are able to find it?
To grab a pawn against Grob sounds natural to me...
Bxg4 is some kind of refutation if black knows his stuff...
Just your Schliemann's gambit, u rely on your preconseived opinion without knowing what u are talking about and refusing what other are telling.
What is bad about 2...e5?
Well, that c4-Qb3 line seems dubious.
How does black win it?
After 2...e5, it seems easier to get an advantage.
I am too lazy to check now what top engines have been choosing.
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov a écrit :
Well, that c4-Qb3 line seems dubious.
How does black win it?
After 2...e5, it seems easier to get an advantage.
I am too lazy to check now what top engines have been choosing.
The lines were given in the thread...
"Lazy", "check top engines", and not reading what was written before : if u want to be ridiculous, it is a success, congrats! 
I read it, but I 'pruned' most of all.
Nov 1, 2017
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#57
KingpinChess wrote:
I think I cracked The Grob opening. I call it the Queen Variant. You guys notice any flaws?
d5 is stronger, taking the center and later playing c6. Black has an excellent game, with space and free play.
Nov 1, 2017
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#58
KingpinChess wrote:
I think I cracked The Grob opening. I call it the Queen Variant. You guys notice any flaws?
d5 is stronger, taking the center and later playing c6. Black has an excellent game, with space and free play.
The point is that, no one knows for certain what happens in the 1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bg4 3. c4 line, as black can not push d4.
One way or another, the game is close to some kind of equality.
After 1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 e5, neither 3. e4 d4, or 3. d4 e4 make sense, so white must try 3. c4.
And after 3...d4 black has quite big positional advantage with no tactics at all.
2...Bg4 leaves the b7 pawn undefended and that is very bad.
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov έγραψε:
The point is that, no one knows for certain what happens in the 1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bg4 3. c4 line, as black can not push d4.
One way or another, the game is close to some kind of equality.
After 1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 e5, neither 3. e4 d4, or 3. d4 e4 make sense, so white must try 3. c4.
And after 3...d4 black has quite big positional advantage with no tactics at all.
2...Bg4 leaves the b7 pawn undefended and that is very bad.
You are wrong almost everywhere.
Contrary to your belief 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3.c4 d4!? while unnecessary is fully playable: 4.Bxb7 Nd7 5.Bxa8 Qxa8 6.f3 - 6.Nf3? d3! wins - e5 with a powerful bind for the sacrificed exchange. However, 3...c6! is uncomplicated, and likely stronger. Black will simply play ...Nf6, e6 etc and ignore the threat to the b7 pawn. After Qxb7, simply ...Nbd7 and Black has better development, much better pawn structure, white's queen is oddly placed at b7 and in danger of being trapped in some lines, plus (worst of all) with the g pawn missing, white's king lacks a safe heaven. In short, a clear Black advantage after just two moves- not such a big achievement for the first player...
Basman's 1.g4 d5 2.h3 is surely the best out of a bad choice, but after 2...e5 Black has several good ways to get an advantage. Mikhalevski suggests the simple 3.Bg2 h5 (3...c6 and 3...Ne7 are also mighty reasonable) 4.gxh5 Nf6 5.d3 Rxh5 as better for Black, and I cannot see why not.
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