Modern, Pirc, etc. are all King Indian. Right?

JackRoach
B1ZMARK wrote:

Yeah my friend @magmasalsa always plays f4 against my pirc/modern setups, very annoying. I’d get good positions but then I’d blunder. Smh

How many openings do you play??

B1ZMARK
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:

Yeah my friend @magmasalsa always plays f4 against my pirc/modern setups, very annoying. I’d get good positions but then I’d blunder. Smh

How many openings do you play??

Everything except the Sicilian mainline. The occasional dragon.

FizzyBand

These lines have some common characteristics but are by no means from the same opening.

JackRoach
FizzyBand wrote:

These lines have some common characteristics but are by no means from the same opening.

Interesting...

Well, I guess I'm half-right. They lead to the same ideas, hypermodernism etc.

But I guess c4 really makes a difference.

B1ZMARK
JackRoach hat geschrieben:
FizzyBand wrote:

These lines have some common characteristics but are by no means from the same opening.

Interesting...

Well, I guess I'm half-right. They lead to the same ideas, hypermodernism etc.

But I guess c4 really makes a difference.

The second example leads to a completely different type of game.

JackRoach

It's strange how a few minor differences can transform a game entirely...

Btw, the reason they look completely different is because you went a few moves further in the KID.

B1ZMARK
JackRoach hat geschrieben:

It's strange how a few minor differences can transform a game entirely...

Btw, the reason they look completely different is because you went a few moves further in the KID.

He did that to show you the difference. If he stopped on like move six you would’ve said “but that’s the same position” and I would’ve made a meme out of it

JackRoach
B1ZMARK wrote:
JackRoach hat geschrieben:

It's strange how a few minor differences can transform a game entirely...

Btw, the reason they look completely different is because you went a few moves further in the KID.

He did that to show you the difference. If he stopped on like move six you would’ve said “but that’s the same position” and I would’ve made a meme out of it

Go ahead. Pretend I say that, and make a meme.

B1ZMARK

I can’t because I’m too lazy to google “corporate wants you to find the difference” meme template

ThrillerFan
JackRoach wrote:

Title. I mean, obviously in the beginning it's slightly different. But they're all the same in the late middlegame, right?

 

Absolutely NOT!

The advance c2-c4 in the King's Indian weakens the d4-square.  In the Pirc, White can move the Knight and re-enforce with c3.  Black's play is often centered around this weak d4-square.  If Black can get a Knight there safely, it's usually lights out for White.

In the Pirc, the Knight on c3 is really the only thing covering e4, which is far more exposed here than in the King's Indian.  c2-c4 stops any b7-b5-b4 sheningans, but without c2-c4, the b-pawn is free to attack the Knight and deflect it away from the e4-pawn.  Black's play is all about e4 in the Pirc unlike d4 in the King's Indian.

 

That is just one of MANY differences!  The two openings are not similar at all.  Just because Black's first few moves are the same doesn't mean jack.  White plays too!

 

Saying the Kings Indian and Pirc are the same is like's saying the Bishop has the same functionality as the Knight.

MelvinGarvey

Lots of what was said is right, but let me summ it up:

White pawn on c4 is KID (if played)

No White pawn on c4, will be Pirc or Modern.

That's what there is to know about it.

MelvinGarvey

That's KID

That's Pirc

And that's Modern

Sicilian Dragon

MelvinGarvey

So, as long White has taken no decision regarding the c pawn, it can transpose from one to another.