Morra gambit and wing gambit are crap in blitz games

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zuhulu

I get 47%points , my opponent 53% points in morra gambit E4 f5 d4 , worse percentages in the wing gambit E4 f5   b4

I have studied morra gambit for years ,so I don't get it . In slow games I have good results with morra

First I thought that maybe I must study more and more , but that is not the problem , I am very agressiqve player, good percentages in dutch defense ,Halloween gambit, king gambit, Latvian, etc

My conclusion is These openings morra and wing are not so effective in blitz. In slow games yes but is very risky anyway to play both of them

We  know Sicilian is the best opening by test , this is why Fischer used to  play siciliAn, the critical line, so is normal to be in 50-50 , but I feel like probably there are players with white and they have a 60-70% points with white 

I have seen antisicilians but It seems boring all the lines . 

I win 70% points with dutch , 80% with e5 Latvian , even against C4 and Nf3 I have decents percentages 55-65% 

Why the hell I can not find a line with white pieces to refute Sicilian?

I only want to have a 60-40% in points in my favor like in Scandinavian or pirc

Ok , in slow games I play open Sicilian with the move G3 , the Adams variation ,

But in this line black has the initiative of the game 

I am reading now about the prints variation in najdorf , the move f3 in move 5 , in database has good results with white but I feel this is not my style , play a maroczy bind is boring.

I need to find a profitable Sicilian for white, I need your help in that search 

my online rating is 2300-2400 in blitz

yetanotheraoc

If you get good results in the Dutch, why not play Closed and/or Grand Prix vs the Sicilian? In theory they are not anything for white, but in blitz you can just pretend you have a souped-up Dutch ... try to win in the middlegame.

zuhulu
yetanotheraoc wrote:

If you get good results in the Dutch, why not play Closed and/or Grand Prix vs the Sicilian? In theory they are not anything for white, but in blitz you can just pretend you have a souped-up Dutch ... try to win in the middlegame.

then i would play the bird opening F4

Grand prix , black can play e6 following with D5 .not a big deal for white

I only want to have a decent score in the Sicilian 60-40 or even 55-45 is OK to me 

When you have 70-80% means the line is profitable against humans in practical chess

There are many Sicilians , I do not know which is the line when black player feels uncomfortable

I would like to know 

tmkroll

There was that time this happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ShShCcUCQ Ok, 1 v 5 is not normal Blitz and I guess Nakamura was jet-lagged but he's one of the world's best and other 1 v 5 odds games against him on this channel do not go like this at all.

Uhohspaghettio1

I struggle to see any logic to the idea that a trappy gambit opening would work better at longer limits.

Gambits are usually worse objectively but a minefield for the opponent to defend against. If the opponent plays very accurately he comes out on top right? So you would think long time limits should always favor the player defending against a gambit as he will have time to work out the problems set. 

I'm open to opposing arguments for this opening, however I'm skeptical.

zuhulu
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

I struggle to see any logic to the idea that a trappy gambit opening would work better at longer limits.

Gambits are usually worse objectively but a minefield for the opponent to defend against. If the opponent plays very accurately he comes out on top right? So you would think long time limits should always favor the player defending against a gambit as he will have time to work out the problems set. 

I'm open to opposing arguments for this opening, however I'm skeptical.

Yes and no 

in slow games is riskier to play a gambit , because you do not need to risk so much to beat someone worse than you, you play a french or a caro kann and you beat them in more time but in a safer way 

I remember when I had 1900 fide I used to play gambits I said myself one day I decide to play more solid and voila 2150 in two years 

Then you are right , is like in tennis , who are the best tennis players ? Nadal and Djokovic 

you see their styles are conservatives , is more profitable 

Or Magnus carlsen style in chess

My point is in blitz games and rapid games is very profitable to play Latvian gambit or Halloween gambit or risky openings like Alekhine defense

Why ? Because is uncomfortable for your opponent

why is the reason Latvian gambit is more profitable than kings gambit if the last one is more popular and better for white?( It is not refuted )

Because of a small detail , white play 1.e4 e5 2.nf3 f5

The knight in f3 is bad placed , many practical problems in a game if you play the main line Nxe5

It is similar with elephant gambit E4 e5 nf3 e5 

Why Magnus carlsen decide to play the risky pelikan in his match against caruana?

Because the pelikan has the psicologycal move f5 , it is very unbalanced position and black has the initiative in the kingside 

Sicilian pelikan is the most uncomfortable opening for a human when he faces the move C5 , this is a fact , ok there are human exception I talk generally

 

 

TheMsquare

Yes the morra gambit is suspect.. 

Even for bullet my friend. There shouldn't be a big attack possible for white if black plays well. And then he is down a pawn. You always have the option of giving the pawn back and white doesn't have anything better than a draw if that happens.. I wouldn't even recommend it to a world champion to play. 

The wing gambit is also not entirely sound.. however the Menangiri gambit as it is called is a little bit better. You play 2.a3 and then follow it up with 3.b4. 

Playable positions arise from that way of playing. 

 

 

TheMsquare

Well it's called something like that. I just know the moves. 

 

Uhm you want a good system against the Sicilian(blacks second best opening choice) the French is the best one. Wether grandmasters agree or not that's what i believe. 

You don't like positional chess it seems so the idea of toyin with Bb5 and then playing it in a Ruy Lopez fashion probably won't appeal to you. However I have a win against NM Elijah Logozar using this strategy. It's in my couple daily games section.. 

Well then you only have the queenside castles and pawn storm idea. 

 

A third way of playing is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3  let say d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4  choosing development speed over the normal recapture 

Maybe you will like that because it is alot more tactical in nature.. drop the queen back to e3 when absolutely forced .. queenside castle and stormye hell out of your opponent.. thats the best I can come with for your style of play

blueemu

I thought the opening strategy in Blitz was to play a line in which your good moves were easy to find, and the opponent's good moves were hard to find.

So why not play the closed?

TheMsquare

Mm the closed system he doesn't like facing e6 followed by d5

TheMsquare

https://www.chess.com/game/daily/396226677

The game against NM Logozar 

My endgame technique in the game wasn't displayed(on purpose)

 

 

blueemu
TheMsquare wrote:

Mm the closed system he doesn't like facing e6 followed by d5

So play it as a King's Indian Attack. The KIA works fine against e6 and d5.

tygxc

#1

"We  know Sicilian is the best opening by test , this is why Fischer used to  play siciliAn"
++ No, 1...e5 is considered best objectively, but 1...c5 allows to play for a win with black at higher risk of losing, that is why Fischer and Kasparov played it.

"I win 70% points with dutch , 80% with e5 Latvian" ++ Dutch and Latvian are rare, so you have a surprise value. Morra Gambit is common, Wing Gambit less so.

"Why the hell I can not find a line with white pieces to refute Sicilian?"
++ You cannot refute the Sicilian. It is sound.

"I only want to have a 60-40% in points in my favor like in Scandinavian or pirc"
++ That is the difference: the Sicilian is sound, the Scandinavian less so, the Pirc even less.

"Ok , in slow games I play open Sicilian with the move G3 , the Adams variation"
++ You should play the same variations in all time controls, so that experience in one time control benefits in the other time control. Blitz is based on intuition and intuition is based on experience accumulated in slow games and analysis.

"But in this line black has the initiative of the game"
++ As you score well with Latvian Gambit and Dutch maybe you are better when you do not have the initiative. Maybe you overreach when you have white.

"my online rating is 2300-2400 in blitz" ++ So you meet stronger opponents in blitz than in slow games. Morra Gambit and Wing Gambit are better in blitz than in slow games, but the stronger opposition in your blitz games than in your slow games makes you think otherwise.

Conclusion: either play Wing Gambit in slow games, or play g3 Adams Variation in blitz.