Preusseagro wrote:
The stonewall is not aggressive, and for white it is not very good.
It also is not a system.
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Jun 29, 2020
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#23
Preusseagro wrote:
you can make e4 to a system if you want. And i see no big difference between systems and openings since you need to learn different variations .
1. e4 is not a system. In fact, the only system you can try to play after 1. e4 is the KIA, but even there Black can squash it.
Systems are openings where you place your pieces on the same squares, in almost any order, without regard for what your opponent is doing (for the most part). That is very different from normal openings where move order matters significantly. You cannot play the Italian or Ruy Lopez on auto-pilot. For the most part, you can play the London or KIA on auto-pilot until move ~10-15.
@PawnTsunami I always considered it to be a system, since you reach the same basic formation each time, mostly regardless of what Black plays (though the move order should change depending on what Black plays.)
“The Stonewall is a system; White heads for a very specific pawn formation, rather than trying to memorize long lines of different variations.” —Wikipedia
“The Stonewall is a system; White heads for a very specific pawn formation, rather than trying to memorize long lines of different variations.” —Wikipedia
Jun 29, 2020
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#25
Preusseagro wrote:
i can do this
againt any good answer black has. So why this is not a system?
Or i can always fianchetto both bishops
https://www.chess.com/blog/danheisman/should-beginners-play-an-opening-system
Jun 29, 2020
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#26
LM_player wrote:
@PawnTsunami I always considered it to be a system, since you reach the same basic formation each time, mostly regardless of what Black plays (though the move order should change depending on what Black plays.)
“The Stonewall is a system; White heads for a very specific pawn formation, rather than trying to memorize long lines of different variations.” —Wikipedia
“The Stonewall is a system; White heads for a very specific pawn formation, rather than trying to memorize long lines of different variations.” —Wikipedia
Eh, you reach the same pawn formation, but in many lines, where your pieces go is very dependent on what Black plays. This is very different from the other system openings (London, KIA, Colle, Torre) where the whole idea is to place your pieces on specific squares. A pawn structure itself does not constitute a system.
Jun 29, 2020
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#27
Preusseagro wrote:
i dont understand. When you say tha a system requires that every piece stand on the same place, and my system suggest that to it is a system.
But agree with you that beginners should play e4
In your setup:
Jun 29, 2020
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#28
Preusseagro wrote:
you realise white can take on e5?
If he wants to go from worse to almost losing, sure.
BEST IS LONDON SYSTEM STONEWALL ATTACK.
Jun 30, 2020
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#30
Preusseagro wrote:
i don't see your winning move and even if i can postpone my bishop move and play first 3.Nc6
As I said earlier: system openings can be played almost without regard to what Black plays for the first several moves. Your idea to "just" fianchetto your dark square bishop, place your light square bishop on c4, and go, fails horribly to routine development by Black. That is, Black is straight up winning out of the opening.
shravan1564 wrote:
BEST IS LONDON SYSTEM STONEWALL ATTACK.
London OR stonewall, you mean?
Preusseagro wrote:
PawnTsunami hat geschrieben:
Preusseagro wrote:
you realise white can take on e5?
If he wants to go from worse to almost losing, sure.
i dont see yor winning move and even if i can postphone my bishop move and play first 3.Nc6
How about 3...Qe7, that might win something.
Jul 1, 2020
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#34
Preusseagro wrote:
Wenn du meine Fgur annimmst bekomme ich genügend Kompensation als Weißer. Falsch nicht beibt das Spiel ausgeglichen
Falsch.
Trying to play that as a system leaves you getting crushed.
Jul 1, 2020
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#35
I wanted you to say for black. I had the poisoned pawn variation of the sicilian. Seems wild
benonidoni wrote:
I wanted you to say for black. I had the poisoned pawn variation of the sicilian. Seems wild
Certainly open to recommendations for systems as black, too!
Jul 1, 2020
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#37
Early aggressive can often fail... Many top GM and CPU use conservative opening, develop pieces, then get aggressive. Even great attackers like Kasparov and pfren have to develop, then attack. Stuff like KID can be fabulous... but more attacks fail than succeed. Quiet opening, then attack.
LionWillCrush wrote:
Early aggressive can often fail... Many top GM and CPU use conservative opening, develop pieces, then get aggressive. Even great attackers like Kasparov and pfren have to develop, then attack. Stuff like KID can be fabulous... but more attacks fail than succeed. Quiet opening, then attack.
Thats great advice. I love chess and want to be good -- But I also have a family and certainly dont have aspirations to go pro. I certainly take it as a serious hobby, but don't want to spend hours upon hours learning theory just to keep a line even. I just want a fun, simple opening. For me, i think that can be found in the KIA/ KID
Jul 1, 2020
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#39
If you want fun, KID gives crazy games... but it's one of the toughest defence to play at a serious level, because White has about a dozen strong responses. Kasparov said the KID was too much work... and switched to the Slav. But that's at very high level, of course. KI Attack I have played... but that's a strange, muddy opening.
Jul 1, 2020
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#40
LionWillCrush wrote:
If you want fun, KID gives crazy games... but it's one of the toughest defence to play at a serious level, because White has about a dozen strong responses. Kasparov said the KID was too much work... and switched to the Slav. But that's at very high level, of course. KI Attack I have played... but that's a strange, muddy opening.
To be fair, Kasparov said it was too much work keeping up with 2 highly theoretical openings (the Najdorf and the KID). He had to give up one, and the KID drew the short straw.
I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the Stonewall yet!
1. d4 d5 2. e3 Nf6 3. Bd3 c5 4. c3 Nc6 5. f4 (As White)
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 f5 3. e3 e6 4. c4 c6 (As Black)