Most Instructive Openings?

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The_Aggressive_Bee

It's an admirable goal and I'm sure you can improve your planning through this method eventually.  It will take ages though.  If you want to study opening plans, study the pawns structure.  The pawn structure will tell you what plan to adopt throughout the game.  I think you will discover this fact going through the master games and the openings.  Please don't study pawn structure in isolation though.  Look at how pawn structure impacts factors like king safety, piece activity, and endgame chances.  I like the idea of studying the Petrof for black, take a particular look at the Cochrane Gambit for a detailed study of pawn structure, space, king safety, and piece activity against material.  Another good use of your time would be to look at the Carlsbad structure.  It will give you an excellent idea of what to do in any Queen's gambit declined situation.  Don't forget endgames and tactics though!  Be sure to check out Find the Right Plan with Anatoly Karpov and Pawn Structure Chess by Andrew Soltis. 

sibi_90
WilliamShookspear wrote:

Hi all,

Part of my plan in addressing that is to expose myself to different kinds of opening ideas and themes, preferably from both sides, to expand my knowledge database. 

So my questions I guess are a) is this a waste of time, and b) what do you think I could add or subtract?

Cheers, 

William

I also have the upgraded version of the same thought " convincing 4 members (just for example) of any club in which we are present and then all five of us play the same openings - learn the concepts and ideas of those openings post our self annotated games in our club forums with the name of the opening" first two weeks start with 1.e4 (tell them what opening to play against sicilian, carokann, French, Scandinavian and e5), next two weeks start with 1.d4 and then Next two weeks with 1.c4 but carefully avoid the positions which you got from d4 openings. Use similar ideas in black too(like against 1.e4,1.d4 1.c4) . Probably during the fourth 14 days you can try gambits and traps. Complete this entire process within two months and the important thing is to understand that this is just a learning phase about different positions of chess and should never worry about ratings. Throughout the journey get your self annotated games analysed by other players present here for continuous improvement. 

dannyhume
A thread on the most instructive openings and not a word on the Ruy Lopez?

I read the intro to Neil McDonald’s Ruy Lopez Move by Move book and there he said that he wanted his book to improve the reader’s positional chess.
Alltheusernamestaken
DeirdreSkye wrote:
dannyhume wrote:
A thread on the most instructive openings and not a word on the Ruy Lopez?

I read the intro to Neil McDonald’s Ruy Lopez Move by Move book and there he said that he wanted his book to improve the reader’s positional chess.

Italian is almost the same opening.

LOL the expert just said the most stupid thing ever

WilliamShookspear
DeirdreSkye wrote:
dannyhume wrote:
A thread on the most instructive openings and not a word on the Ruy Lopez?

I read the intro to Neil McDonald’s Ruy Lopez Move by Move book and there he said that he wanted his book to improve the reader’s positional chess.

Italian is almost the same opening.

surprise.png In what world is a bishop on c4 the same, or even similar, to a bishop on b5?! Maybe for them, but not for me, a mortal.

WilliamShookspear
DeirdreSkye wrote:

You make things a little more complicated than they really are.

First you will have to answer:

"What I want from an opening"

    I think you seem like you are answering this in the title (most instructive openings) but later you seem quite confused(or I am the one confused from the so many info).

   Let's assume you want to learn Tartakower's in QGD. It would make a lot of sence to combine this with lines that create either isolated pawn or hanging pawns. It makes a lot of sense to play Tarrasch against French (or exchange  Monte Carlo since it is forcing the isolated pawn), Panov attack against Caro Kan and Alapin against Sicilian. 

    That has some practical advantages . Before you take a deep dive into Open Sicilians you will have something that covers you against all of them if you needed. Your plan about using English attack set ups against all Sicilians is a bit suscpisious and it will need a lot of experimenting that you must do only after creating a safehouse.Maybe a better setup would be the classical(Be2-Be3-castling-Kh1-f4 and maybe Qe1-Qg3 or Qh4). 

    Combining your openings taking into consideration the important pawn structures will help you understand them faster while at the same time improving  your overall understanding(understanding isolated pawn is of universal value).You can study books that explain isolated pawn and hanging pawns at the same time. 

I've thought about syncing the openings. But, I must admit, I know so little about the resulting themes from a lot of these openings that I hardly know what to sync!

Yeah, I'm doing the systems with Be2, 0-0, and f4 first. English doesn't work against a variety of Sicilians, so I might fall back on the f4 system. (EG against Taimanov)

WilliamShookspear
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:

This is ridicously stupid to have so many openings to learn. Just choose one d4 or one e4 for white, if you chose e4 then learn another against the sicilian. Black learn against e4 d4 and c4

As mentioned in the OP, I'm not trying to build a repertoire. I'm trying to learn themes,

The2DarkKnights

Try also learning the Lion Defence against both e4 d4 nf3

WilliamShookspear
The_Aggressive_Bee wrote:

It's an admirable goal and I'm sure you can improve your planning through this method eventually.  It will take ages though.  If you want to study opening plans, study the pawns structure.  The pawn structure will tell you what plan to adopt throughout the game.  I think you will discover this fact going through the master games and the openings.  Please don't study pawn structure in isolation though.  Look at how pawn structure impacts factors like king safety, piece activity, and endgame chances.  I like the idea of studying the Petrof for black, take a particular look at the Cochrane Gambit for a detailed study of pawn structure, space, king safety, and piece activity against material.  Another good use of your time would be to look at the Carlsbad structure.  It will give you an excellent idea of what to do in any Queen's gambit declined situation.  Don't forget endgames and tactics though!  Be sure to check out Find the Right Plan with Anatoly Karpov and Pawn Structure Chess by Andrew Soltis. 

Hi Bee, thanks for the reply.

Yeah, you see I own Soltis's Pawn Structure chess, and I guess I know a reasonable amount about pawn structure, but I don't quite understand how to apply this knowledge in my own games. So, by using openings that result in these structures, and studying master games, I can understand how the game flows much better than studying the structures in isolation.

I'm fine with taking ages with this method. Plus I've trimmed it all down to 7 months instead of 10. If you want to see, check out my blog. Opening Rotations!

The Carlsbad Structure is worth a look for sure, considering it's a tabiya in itself from d4 openings.

WilliamShookspear
The2DarkKnights wrote:

Try also learning the Lion Defence against both e4 d4 nf3

Hmm, okay, so you want me to learn the Philidor with 3...Nf6?

The2DarkKnights
WilliamShookspear escribió:
The2DarkKnights wrote:

Try also learning the Lion Defence against both e4 d4 nf3

Hmm, okay, so you want me to learn the Philidor with 3...Nf6?

yes here I have a video for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPZyRvOg5XA

The2DarkKnights

the critical line

WilliamShookspear
The2DarkKnights wrote:

the critical line

Incredibly bizarre, but interesting.

Alltheusernamestaken
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
dannyhume wrote:
A thread on the most instructive openings and not a word on the Ruy Lopez?

I read the intro to Neil McDonald’s Ruy Lopez Move by Move book and there he said that he wanted his book to improve the reader’s positional chess.

Italian is almost the same opening.

LOL the expert just said the most stupid thing ever

The problem with ignorants is that they can't hide the ignorance.

Svidler has said that , not me!And Gustaffson agreed.

Want to say something about Svidler and Gustaffson?

Dude you are the ignorant number 1 of this website. The Ruy and the Italian are VERY diferent

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Very   different



 

Alltheusernamestaken
DavidStefanov wrote:

Very   different



 

So? You achieved the same position with ONE variation of each (Giuoco Pianissimo and Closed Morphy's defense) this proofs nothing. I can do the same but achieving completely different positions:

 

MOKHTARI07
hyper  accelerated  dragon its the best choice against e4 FOR CLub playrs 
 

 

MOKHTARI07

one most  variation u play  against fisher fan

WilliamShookspear
aleubblo wrote:

one most  variation u play  against fisher fan

I find 6.c4 more appealing. Thanks for the input! This is a somewhat instructive opening, that I may look into the white side of.

MOKHTARI07

https://www.ichess.net/blog/the-accelerated-dragon-sicilian-defense/   and   check  this videos in youtube  to undertand more    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11MkaA32Vo