My system v 1..d6

Was just playing on chesscube blitz and came up with this on the spot. I thought it worked pretty well so id throw it to the forum to judge and discuss.

2..nf6 can be met by Bxf6 tromp style and 2..h6 is an independant line i wouldnt use this system against. Both seem to have been played more often in the database.
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The game I had continued like this:

I dont understand doesnt your move lose a piece? since the knight is pinned and the pawn is guarded?

Bg5 isnt the best move, but i like the positions the 2.bg5 lines give (excpet after 1..d5)

Yeah that's why I deleted my comment...but not fast enuff!  I'm getting too old to try refuting everything that looks unnatural or bad (to me), maybe in your main line I'd just play 4...g6 which could transpose to a KID or else a Stonewall Attack(?) IMHO the Stonewall   is underwhelming for White

Itd be quite difficult for black to get a good stonewall positin. After g6 Id play e4 and we'd be in a kind of austrian attack position with extra tempos for white, if you go for 0-0 im just going to 0-0-0 and throw my pawns at you. I think black is a bit too far behind to do anything about this and activating his bishops may be hard.

The only way to prevent e at the moment is wasting time with ..d5, after e3 i think ill follow with the 0-0-0 and pawn storm idea, but even if I dont i feel white will be slightly better. I think I could play more positionally in a closed position where itd be hard to prove anything from your bishop pair.

This early bg5 is a great way to avoid theory imo, very playable stuff.

I can relate very similiarly btw i was having a move order problem in one of my openings.

1.Nf3 d6 and I had some difficulties choosing a setup i liked cuz 2.c4 e5 is an english I don't want to learn atm, and 2.e4 c5 is a sicilian.

So i chose 2.d4 giving black the option of playing the dutch which is the only way to take advantage with this move order, but i found a nice line with 2..f5 3.Nc3! Nf6 (g6 h4!) 4.Bg5 g6? (e4 fxe4 nxe4 looks like improved rubenstein french) 5.h4 and black has quite serious issues. White's just going to play h5, sack rook for knight , and play e4 opening position up, idk what the engine says but i like it.

This bg5 really helped me out, and okay black can ne4 after bg5 but thats another story.

An early Bg5 isn't bad at all, but white should reinforce d4 after that.

An Austrian attack with a bishop on g5 and the knight on d2 sounds like an extremely bad idea- if Black knows what he is doing then it's most likely that you will soon be in serious trouble- for example, from your second attached game, 6...c5 should already be very good for Black. The white central superiority is 100% deceptive- Black has easy ways to chip at that fragile center, and white's piece coordination (Nf3/Nbd2/Bg5) is very poor to allow keeping the center intact.

I love how he says that 2...h6 is an independent line where he wouldn't use this system, but never says what he would do, partially because he knows that 2...h6 would just be strong for Black, but even better for Black is 2...c6!  A lot of the 1...d6 lines computers tend to like White until it gets a little deeper, and they realize it's not that good for White.  Deep Blue had no clue what to do even, and Round 4 of the rematch, where Kasparov played the Pribyl, kasparov had 2 ways to win on move 43.

That said, after 2...c6!, 3.f4 is just bad.  3...Qb6 advantage Black.  Therefore, White has to play 3.Nc3, and now 3...Qb6 gives White nothing.

I fail to find any meaning behind 2...c6: no pressure against d4, b2 can easily be protected. But in any case, meaningless moves always was one of the "strong points" of the Pribyl system.

lol, so true, I love it when they play a KID, then they play strange moves like Bg4, nbd7 and c6 giving me the bishop pair when i play h3. Love the pribyl.

No one has said anything about 2...f6 yet, seems like a rather obvious try, to invest a tempo to strongpoint the e5 square.  By that I mean, strongpoint the e5 square while gaining a tempo:

First off, it poses a threat to the Bishop (3...Qa5+).  The Queen gets out with tempo on the b-pawn, and Black can now move his e-pawn.  More to it than the simple "Queen attacks protectable pawn".

Also, if you don't block the diagonal with a blunder like 3.e3, then against a nothing move, like say, 3.c4, you gain a tempo with 3...Qa5+ 4.Bd2 (forced) Qc7, and now if White wants to go back to prevent Nf6, you got the Qc7 move in for free.

In essence, you are playing for e5, and yet White's whole point is to prevent the pushing of the e-pawn.  2...c6 is an excellent counter to 1.d4 d6 2.Bg5?!

White will simply develop with 3.Nf3 (3.c3 doesn't look bad, either, but it's not necessary without any pressure against d4) and now you'll have to find some useful function provided by your ...c6. Admittedly, you have to try really hard to find something even mildly disturbing for white.

2...h6 is surely enough a good move (you may even have to insert it after the meaningless 2...c6), this is more of the kind of moves that should worry white.

And nothing says ...h6 wouldn't ever be thrown in, even at move 3 against correct defense by White.  Doing 2...c6 and 3...h6 opens White up to more chances to error than 2...h6 and 3...c6.  Again, the idea in general is to get in e5.  Similar to many Philidor lines if White does play e4 any time soon, and if not, you can easily end up in positions similar to what can arise after 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5 except for 3.dxe5 dxe5 4.Qxd8+ Kxd8

So we're playing hope chess?

If Black is okay with 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 dxe5 4.Qxd8+ Kxd8 surely he'd be all right with 1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 f6 3.Bh4 e5 and although White has not made the weakening c2-c4 move, he has put his bishop in a stupid area.

2..h6 is a good move, however it's completely independent of these lines. The idea im looking at is 3.f4 after g6 and nd7.
3.f4 obviously isnt possible after 2..h6, therefore it has little relevence.
Maybe a course in comprehension would benefit you.

Yes, the second diagram was the original game, i now think that 5.Nc3 is much more accurate going for Austrian like positions rather than a stonewall.

I can stop it by Nc4 but its a lot of hastle, nc3 is better

After b5 Na3 is ok for me, but black has a slight advantage.

d5 is actually better than b5, when after a3 My position is feeling quite awkward.

But its better simply to avoid these lines. I didn't have time to consider this in my original game since I just made it up on the spot. But in the next game I play ill use nc3.

Really its more like a veresov type system with f4 thrown in. Usually goes into KP positions.