I've only either faced e4 e6 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 Nc6 d4 or e4 e6 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 Qe7 or e4 e6 c4 c5 b4 or e4 e6 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 Be6 !
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darkbrah7654 wrote:
the exchange? are you kidding me, thats boring as heck
There are boring players for sure, but no boring openings.
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pwnsrppl2 wrote:
Unless you want to dive into something more complicated, I recommend the exchange. Poucin’s link is as good a place as any to start. The variation is safer for white than most, and largely underrated. Also, you’ll irritate a lot of French players and take away their fun. Sometimes that’s worth a small psychological edge.
the exchange? are you kidding me, thats boring as heck
I've always played the exchange, thinking the French was not harmful until I played in club (I was playing in pubs/parks/internet before) and suffered nasty losses in rapids/long controls. IMPfren indicated a recent book, actually I'm intrigued because this challenges the common wisdom that the exchange french leads to a draw. Developing your pieces as white is insanely hard. On the other hand I've never been a big fan of learning loads of french theory (the moves are counter intuitive I think)... @IMPfren thanks for sharing the link actually.
Sep 13, 2021
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#45
pfren wrote:
darkbrah7654 wrote:
the exchange? are you kidding me, thats boring as heck
There are boring players for sure, but no boring openings.
ig you're right pfren
adityasaxena4 wrote:
I've only either faced e4 e6 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 Nc6 d4 or e4 e6 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 Qe7 or e4 e6 c4 c5 b4 or e4 e6 c4 d5 cxd5 exd5 e5 Be6 !
Doesn't 1.e4 e6 2.c4 c5 3.b4? lose to the typical trick 3...Qf6?
Sep 13, 2021
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#47
The KIA can be a fun try against the French. It offers both colors a lot of dynamic play.
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Optimissed wrote:
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Optimissed wrote:
1vishal wrote:
Actually i don't wanna switch to d4 cz even when we play d4 we have to prepare against defences like KID, Grun, slav and many more 🤣🤣. With e4 when i dont know how to tackle I calmly switch to KIA :laugh :laugh.
Yes, very good point. The equivalent at the moment in the 1. d4 openings is the London system but that is NOT interesting. The KIA is interesting! Mind you, you could play a similar system after 1. d4, you know.
Wrong! The London system is misunderstood. It has a lot of exciting potential but unfortunately no one bothers to discover them.
There's a reason for that!
Its bcoz ppl don't want to change the way they look at the opening.
London system for white is like deciding to live in caves and not houses again.
The London is fine as long as it is not played on autopilot (and which is the most usual scenario).
Sep 13, 2021
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#50
Since this topic is old and already answered I'll just say...
Topics like this are weird to me. More or less everyone knows white has 4 main options after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5... so just pick one and study it... it's that simple.
Sep 13, 2021
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#52
As white I played the c4 exchange french in ~6 tournament games. I scored 4 wins and 2 draws ~1900 USCF level.
It really doesn't matter what you play... as long as the opening is reasonable you can turn anything into a winning weapon at that level. All you have to do is understand the middlegames you're getting (and you do that by looking at GM games).
In other words when people call an opening boring that's (more or less) code for "I don't understand it."
llama47 wrote:
As white I played the c4 exchange french in ~6 tournament games. I scored 4 wins and 2 draws ~1900 USCF level.
It really doesn't matter what you play... as long as the opening is reasonable you can turn anything into a winning weapon at that level. All you have to do is understand the middlegames you're getting (and you do that by looking at GM games).
In other words when people call an opening boring that's (more or less) code for "I don't understand it."
It's boring to play against. The Berlin Endgame is boring but I guess those Grandmasters don't understand it. How about the London when every single d4 player plays it? How about the Symmetrical English? I guess we don't understand it if they play a symmetrical position against you.
I also bet you sound just like IM Kieton Kiewra. Just listen to him talk on Chess.com lessons and you will all agree
Sep 13, 2021
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#54
My post was aimed at amateurs. Professional chess is completely different, including the evaluations of openings. For example the Berlin is a very poor drawing weapon for most people, but an excellent one at the top level.
But more to the point, professionals don't choose openings based on entertainment value, their choices are about maximizing their results.
Sep 13, 2021
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#55
Maybe it's been said before (I don't know) but I'm guessing that it's better to look at strong amateurs for opening ideas (2500-2600 GMs) and not professionals who play extremely safe all the time.
llama47 a écrit :
Maybe it's been said before (I don't know) but I'm guessing that it's better to look at strong amateurs for opening ideas (2500-2600 GMs) and not professionals who play extremely safe all the time.
You can play only gambits and have fun instead of a bizarre yet rote memorized dogmatic theatretical display of strict non action until move 40# which constitute the bulk of "acceptable" openings. If it's true that openings play no role in the outcome of a game until you reach let' say, 2000 elo then you cannot be wrong doing this.
Sep 13, 2021
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#57
EKAFC wrote:
Boring
How is that boring?
Look at the middle-game position:
Both colors are attacking on opposite flanks. Looks like quite a dynamic game, to me.
Some people hear "Exchange French" and think "boring!", because they believe (for some reason) that both colors must play symmetrically from that point onward ...
Stil1 wrote:
EKAFC wrote:
poucin wrote:
Boring
How is that boring?
Because there are more fun ways to play against the French. The Advanced, the Tarrasch, the Classical, even 2.Nf3 or 2.Nc3. There is one variation where it isn't boring for White to exchange on d5
In general, Exchange Variations are rather boring to play against with the exception of the Queen's Gambit Declined. I guess you would rather play against the Exchange French instead of the others I just mentioned?
Sep 14, 2021
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#59
Some openings can feel boring at lower levels, when there's a limited amount of tactics and positional ideas that you can see. It seems boring because it appears like there isn't much that either side can do.
When you get stronger, though, you begin seeing more options and plans - ideas and moves that were invisible to you before.
What once looked boring and devoid of options, now looks full of possibilities.
For example: in any exchange variation, both players don't have to play symmetrically. They also don't have to castle on the same side as their opponent, if they don't want to.
In the French Exchange, both players can castle opposite of each other. It almost always leads to fireworks ... much like opposite castling in the Sicilian.
Unless you want to dive into something more complicated, I recommend the exchange. Poucin’s link is as good a place as any to start. The variation is safer for white than most, and largely underrated. Also, you’ll irritate a lot of French players and take away their fun. Sometimes that’s worth a small psychological edge.
the exchange? are you kidding me, thats boring as heck