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I'm in need of some new openings because my uncle only taught me one (it works well against a lot of kids at school, but not all of them,) and I'm in need of some new openings.

So I usually move my king's pawn up 2, they might/might not, and whether they do or dont, I move my bishop on my king's side out to c4. However, they can counter with Nc6, so when I try and move my queen to h5, they can Nh6, so I cant Qg7, checkmate. then if I try to capture the pawn in front of the king with my queen, thier other knight will take it. Also, instead of moving thier knight out, they could move thier pawn to g7 and block my queen and make it move, so naturally I'd move to f3 with my queen, still threatinging the same square, but they could move thier knight in front of that square or move thier pawn out 2 spaces :C Also, they could move their queen diagonally in front of thier king so that if I took thier pawn, we would trade queens, and I'm not too fond of that.

Also, I don't really know any black openings, so if you could post them, it would be greatly appreciated ^_^

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Is that what your talking about? If so, don't play it. There is a refutation that is horrible for white. I don't know it, but I know it exists.
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The reti (1. Nf3) is a very versatile opening that does not require very much memorization and can transpose easily. jrobichess has an excellent youtube vid on it HERE. His other opening vids can be found HERE.

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if you want a good opening, forget an early queen movement.

This is only good at beginners level, and if you still want the cheap tries, then go for 2.Qh5 as it is more forcing.

If you want something stronger, then e4.e5, Nf3 Nc6(d6,d4 or Bc4), Bc4 could be a nice and correct start.

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This is what I WANT to happen (but it never does)

Unforutantly, it never does, they usually do one of these options
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Agreed.

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AnthonyCG wrote:
jtt96 wrote:

The reti (1. Nf3) is a very versatile opening that does not require very much memorization and can transpose easily. jrobichess has an excellent youtube vid on it HERE. His other opening vids can be found HERE.


But he's new at chess....


 Yes, but his opening videos are not meant to go into the many variations of most openings; He just shows the main lines and includes his thoughts. If you want more in depth, you should find it somewhere else.

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If you want to develop at chess, you should avoid this opening, as this can easily be defended(you show couple of lines).

Just develop normally, castle, and then build up the attack.

 

This could be a good reading material for start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Game

and if you meet d6 as a response, then you would have to take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philidor_Defence

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My opinion (and that is all it is) is that when first learning chess openings and wanting to focus on king pawn openings, the Ruy Lopez is excellent.

The thing that is great about this is it applies pressure with each move and the idea of developing your pieces (something an early queen move doesn't since it will be constantly chased around the board) is key.  There are many variations from this point forward in the Ruy Lopez but I would recommend that you use the Openings area under the Learn section on this site.

No matter what opening you choose, remember develop your pieces, keep your Queen back (at least until you have a solid understanding of when to break that rule), and look at many different types of opening until you find your own "Chess Voice" and decide the ones you want to focus on.

Just my 2 cents

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Ruy is too complex as a opening for beginners IMO. Ok, perhaps the exchange variation is a bit simpler.
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Whats the bongcloud-not?

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Dragec wrote:
Ruy is too complex as a opening for beginners IMO. Ok, perhaps the exchange variation is a bit simpler.

That is an excellent point, the exchange variation is probably for the best for those beginning to look into the system and not having a firm foundation on the "rules" of play.

I think that it is much easier to play starting off (remembering the importance of development and what not) and seems to be able to be played by those just learning an opening repertoire. Remember I-pwn-you, it doesn't matter what opening system you play if you spend half the game moving your Queen until you finally lose her or lose so many tempo that your opponent completely controls the board.

Another opening system, though it can also get very complicated like most, is the Giuoco Piano.

It's a good replacement for the Ruy Lopez and while there are strong and subtitle variants black can play to defend, in beginning play, especially playing with others just learning, its a great line. Again, just my 2 cents but remember that no matter what line you choose to focus on, it has many variations, focus more on the "why's" of the opening so you understand what the significance of the moves mean instead of just trying to memorize endless variations and openings.  Pick a handful of openings and defenses you like and stick with them. One of the worst things you can do, in my opinion, is to try and learn MANY openings/defenses at once, best to have a couple, and build on your knowledge over time.

Just my 2 cents (but I guess that makes it 4 cents now) Laughing

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Try the king's knight, it's an easy concept to learn. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3

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Chess4001 wrote:

Try the king's knight, it's an easy concept to learn. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3


 That can lead to a variety of openings. :)

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Could this be a good development

of peices?

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Book development is usually pretty good if your opponent lets you do it!

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