never never never never never play philidor defense

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Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
ChesswithNickolay wrote:

Back then, many good players played bad openings. It's a garbage opening.

we are talking about the philidor defense, not your play.

 

dark doing his best Pfren impersonation... it's pretty good!

FoxWithNekoEars
Uživatel darkunorthodox88 napsal:
B1ZMARK wrote:

I play openings that give my opponent a +1.5 advantage as an expert rated player.

The old Philidor line is apparently unsound for reasons I don’t know, but the pirc Transposition via e4 d6 d4 Nf6 Nc3 e5! Is completely ok.

its not unsound its just the normal move order forces black to play the Antoshin or larsen variation  (actually if white plays 3.bc4 before d4 he is practically almost forced into the Antoshin or transpose to the 3...d6 italian) whereas most philidor players hope for the hanham variation.



as to why? its because if you ever try to get nd7 going, they are always tactical reasons why its a terrible idea, either dxe5  dxe5 qd5! or nxe5 nxe5 bxf7, or lines where black has no good reply vs ng5 and in some lines, even qh5 as well. The least dubious try if i remember correctly is a line where despite be7, white goes ng5 bxg5 qh5! grabbing a clean bishop pair. I believe ivanchuk has dared play it like this once or twice but its not a good idea. The pirc move order is an attempt to bait nc3 which is never among the critical lines of the philidor and is basically a free development tempi  for your kingside so the tricks dont work

The line i was referring to https://lichess.org/dqlRtJgD#0

Mhmm~

interesting...

FoxWithNekoEars
Uživatel TheNameofNames napsal:
fastcheckmater wrote:

I don’t even consider it as an opening. I don’t even understand why people even play it! It is so trash!

thats why Morphy won the opera Game as his opponent played the trash opening, Philidor’s Defence. It is so trash I don’t even consider is it as an opening.

  1. LEGALS MATE TRAP IN THE PHILIDOR DEFENCE

 

Uhhhhh just take the knight and then the bishop because the queen is under attack?

That trap works...

Did you mean this?

 

anyway... its a nice trap sure..  but its only one very specific situation.. its not a reason why should be phlilidor bad at all... 

pfren

Isn't it funny when kids dismiss the opening line XYZ as "garbage" or "passive" or whatever when they know practically nothing about it?

The "passive" Antoshin can quickly transform to a very complicated tactical mess, where Black has collected quite a few Grandmaster scalps.

 

 

While I think that 7...d5 is a very risky business, and either 7...c6 or 7...Nc6 are better practical choices, I opted for this line as this was a thematic corr tournament, so I had nothing to lose (thematic tournament games are unrated).

Is there a win for white somewhere between all these crazy lines? It might well be, but so far noone has found it.