I need a new opening for black

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LelaCrosby

I just played 5 games against the same guy and lost 2, playing black both times.  My opening was kind of awkward, what could I have done better?

 




LelaCrosby

I realize the title may have been misleading (as if I'd made up an opening).  So I changed it from "New Opening for Black".

Ziggy_Zugzwang

Game 1 play Be7 before Nf6....There is however a gambit that allows this line you played and you should have played h6 rather than Nxd5 which isn't well known.

Game2 You played d5 before castling - that was my immediate thought . Never the less you came out of the opening better - so not the openings fault here.

Till_98

you shouldnt play d6 in the 2. move. Its to passive for you and there are lots of traps for black and no trap for white. So play the Main lines with nc6 and you cant lose under 20 moves. Cheers

Till_98

The Philidor is okay but not for her/him! Its to passive and hard to play for black when you are Not a really strong player.

b3nnyhaha

In the first game, Be7 before Nf6 is better, just to prevent Ng5. This is perfectly fine for black, fireflashghost's mentioned alternative move order is maybe a little safer if you're comfortable with the queens coming off early (usually white avoids this because black is perfectly safe and can usually get an easy draw).  

Try not to memorize these moves, that's not the point- just be aware of what whites ideas are, and you'll see how these moves are designed against those ideas. 

Dunk12

In the first game, I don't like 2...d6, but it's playable. Developing while protectin or attacking would be better with Nf6 or Nc3. A little book will go a long way, so I would recommend researching some Ruy Lopez.

Also, look into the Lolli Attack, that's what he started to do on you there. It involves a Knight sac and major piece activity from White.

And in the second game, I don't like how you play ...Bg4. The pin does not lead to anything and he can simply play h3 and g4 kicking your Bishop into granite. But instead you simply took his Knight, giving him the Bishop pair, so this is where you first went wrong in principle, but even then he did not have a winning advantage.

The problem started when you began dropping your Knights on the Rank 4, playing over aggressively when he can simply dodge these fake attacks, especially when you haven't developed your other pieces and Castled.

You were winning on move 15, ...Qd4 here forces him to trade his Queen unless he wants to lose more material, and then you're headed into an endgame up a piece, but this ended up happening anyways. Then you just should have brought your Rooks into open files.

In chess, the best players don't bring out one or two pieces and try to checkmate their opponents, they bring out every piece, moving it as few times as they can, until everything is active, and Castle. Then go about creating an attack.

Talfan1

1e4 d6 is a very novel approach requires study for black but if understood has a great psychological impact on an unprepared white player best not used in 3 day chess tho as it loses its surprise value if white has time to study at leisure

cornbeefhashvili
Just some food for thought. I usually play 2. ... Nc6 in most double king pawn games. Just stop worrying and have fun with it! If 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 is good for Nezhmetdinov (an awesome attacking player), then it's good enough for my sorry ass. Cool
 
DelayedResponse

I play the Caro-Kann Defense, and it can lead to some really good games.

cornbeefhashvili

I just like active pieces. I hate passive positions. Sure it looks a bit complex or even unclear, but it is highly active.

Power-Up

Modern Scandenavian is BOSSMODE

 



kleelof

I would not say you need a 'new' opening. I'd say you need AN opening. 

When it comes to openings, you don't have to re-invent the wheel. You can choose from many that will suite your playing style.

If you like these initial moves, which, I believe someone said is the Philidor, then go watch a couple of youtube videos and read about it a little so you can learn some appropriate moves.

I cannot say if The Philidor is the best choice for you or not. But there are a few that I believe may be easier for someone at your level to learn. 

Until just this week, I always responded ..e5, Nc6 which can lead to Ruy Lopez, The Scotch or maybe The Italian Game. The Scotch and Italian Game have many similar ideas and related lines. The Ruy Lopez can have some similar ideas as well.

This past week I started experimenting with The Sicilian. We'll see how that goes.

ThrillerFan
cornbeefhashvili wrote:
Just some food for thought. I usually play 2. ... Nc6 in most double king pawn games. Just stop worrying and have fun with it! If 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 is good for Nezhmetdinov (an awesome attacking player), then it's good enough for my sorry ass.
 
 

Cornbeefhashvili,

Of the lines you gave, the line you put against the King's Gambit is horrible.  1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6? (A horrible move - if you don't want to take the pawn, play 2...Bc5 or 2...d5) 3.Nf3?? (A moron move - 3.Nc3 +/- is a clear advantage for White) 3...f5 =/+

In addition, 2.d4 Nc6? is a moron move.  You've gotta take the pawn on d4 and not give White the monster center.

cornbeefhashvili
ThrillerFan wrote:
cornbeefhashvili wrote:
Just some food for thought. I usually play 2. ... Nc6 in most double king pawn games. Just stop worrying and have fun with it! If 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 is good for Nezhmetdinov (an awesome attacking player), then it's good enough for my sorry ass.
 
 

Cornbeefhashvili,

Of the lines you gave, the line you put against the King's Gambit is horrible.  1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6? (A horrible move - if you don't want to take the pawn, play 2...Bc5 or 2...d5) 3.Nf3?? (A moron move - 3.Nc3 +/- is a clear advantage for White) 3...f5 =/+

In addition, 2.d4 Nc6? is a moron move.  You've gotta take the pawn on d4 and not give White the monster center.

Talk about moron.... An opinion coming from a Mets fan..... May not work for you but it has for me. It's just food for thought. I'm not forcing it down anyone's throat. 

MrDamonSmith

The only way to get a new opening is to invent one because all the openings out there aren't new.

TitanCG

In the first game 3...Nf6 might not be the best move for you to play. Usually a move like like 4.Ng5 is a mistake but here it's ok because Black doesn't have a great defense to it. It is enough to remember that the main idea of Bc4 is to target f7 so you need to be on the lookout for tricks there. The f2 and f7 squares are both weak because only the king defends them. 

The mentioned moves 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 h6 are playable I guess but this was not your idea so you probably shouldn't attempt to play this way for now. 3...Be7 is a normal move preventing 4.Ng5 although it might be weird moving the bishop before the knight. 2...Nc6 is probably easier to play as you don't have to deal with such things often. Having active pieces makes tricks like that riskier for the opponent to play.

7...Qf6 was probably a better move which only loses a pawn. 8.Bxb7 Qxf3 9.Qxf3 c6 is awkward but itkeeps the pieces on. 

After the innacurate 13.Rf1 (13.Qb3+ saves the day for White.) you had a draw in 13... Qe4+ 14.Kd1 Qf3+ 15.Ke1 Qe4+ etc; Keep on the lookout for tricks against an uncastled king!

The problem in the second game was that you looked for active play and opened the center while your king was in the center of the board. This is as dangerous as waking on the highway; the highway being the semi-open e-file and a rook on e1 being a taco truck with a sombrerro on top of it.  

I think 2...Nc6 will be easier to play. For the most part the problems were only tactical with some dangerous handling of the king. This link is all you need for the opening right now:

http://exeterchessclub.org.uk/content/ten-rules-opening

pfren
ThrillerFan wrote:

Cornbeefhashvili,

Of the lines you gave, the line you put against the King's Gambit is horrible.  1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6? (A horrible move - if you don't want to take the pawn, play 2...Bc5 or 2...d5) 3.Nf3?? (A moron move - 3.Nc3 +/- is a clear advantage for White) 3...f5 =/+

In addition, 2.d4 Nc6? is a moron move.  You've gotta take the pawn on d4 and not give White the monster center.

John Shaw prefers in his King's Gambit book 3.Nf3 over 3.Nc3, since he does not think highly about white's chances in the 3.Nc3 ef4 Vienna. Also, Marin in his 1...e5 repertoire book prefers 2.Nc3 Nc6 to 2...Nf6, although he has 3.f4 Bc5 in mind.

So, either GM's Marin and Shaw are morons, or you are a clueless troll. Please make your choice.

colinsaul

3... Be7 covers g5.

Ultraman81

Try 2. ..f5 (Latvian Gambit) or 2. ..d5 (Elephant Gambit) is you want more action on the board. You should study the variants a bit of course and they are in no way a guarantee for success, but they tend to create plenty of tactical opportunities.