New Refutation Trap For the Blackburne-Shilling Gambit

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BlackLawliet
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You know what, I'm just going to cut this at the bud and stop re-posting your last post with a question mark haha.

Gogosf
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    You know what, I'm just going to cut this at the bud and stop re-posting your last post with a question mark haha.

 

BlackLawliet
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    You know what, I'm just going to cut this at the bud and stop re-posting your last post with a question mark haha.

 

I see that I can't end this that easily.

Gogosf
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    You know what, I'm just going to cut this at the bud and stop re-posting your last post with a question mark haha.

 

I see that I can't end this that easily.

 

BlackLawliet
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    You know what, I'm just going to cut this at the bud and stop re-posting your last post with a question mark haha.

 

I see that I can't end this that easily.

 

Ok

Gogosf
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    You know what, I'm just going to cut this at the bud and stop re-posting your last post with a question mark haha.

 

I see that I can't end this that easily.

 

Ok

 

BlackLawliet

I'm a genius. I just don't repost the previous comment and this little sherade halts to a stop

AunTheKnight
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I'm lousy, playing around with this. Seems like black is in better shape

 

 

 

If this happens, their is this line:

In this position, white is completely winning.

Aren’t two pieces worth more then a rook? Actually, white has 2 pawns as well. Could white have an attack here?

BlackLawliet
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jimmyjetset wrote:

I'm lousy, playing around with this. Seems like black is in better shape

 

 

 

If this happens, their is this line:

In this position, white is completely winning.

Aren’t two pieces worth more then a rook? Actually, white has 2 pawns as well. Could white have an attack here?

Hmmm, I don't know if I'm experienced enough to say. I'd just leave this one to the engine.

Danny_Kaye

if only i had your opponents..

BSG is terrible to begin with. why drop a +1.7 advantage for a slim chance my opponent misses a fork?

BlackLawliet
Danny_Kaye wrote:

if only i had your opponents..

BSG is terrible to begin with. why drop a +1.7 advantage for a slim chance my opponent misses a fork?

Why don't you just give it a try before you call it out?

Danny_Kaye
BlackLawliet wrote:
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if only i had your opponents..

BSG is terrible to begin with. why drop a +1.7 advantage for a slim chance my opponent misses a fork?

Why don't you just give it a try before you call it out?

because its objectively bad.

hope chess basically

BlackLawliet
Danny_Kaye wrote:
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if only i had your opponents..

BSG is terrible to begin with. why drop a +1.7 advantage for a slim chance my opponent misses a fork?

Why don't you just give it a try before you call it out?

because its objectively bad.

hope chess basically

I can almost guarantee that in blitz games, even on your opponents, it will work 9/10 times.  

theCodeNick

Here's some stats from lichess: Out of 49 games of the flintlock counter-gambit, only 9 accepted, for a rate 18.4%. Not very good. But, out of games where c4 was played after the flintlock position was achieved the win rate for white was 7/11, which is fairly good.

AunTheKnight
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BlackLawliet wrote:
jimmyjetset wrote:

I'm lousy, playing around with this. Seems like black is in better shape

 

 

 

If this happens, their is this line:

In this position, white is completely winning.

Aren’t two pieces worth more then a rook? Actually, white has 2 pawns as well. Could white have an attack here?

My computer says black is winning.

theCodeNick

I also found that a Nimzowitsch Defense/Bishop's Opening can be transposed into a Blackburne Shilling by moves:1. e4 Nc6 2. Bc4 Nd4 3. Nf3 e5.

BlackLawliet
AunTheKnight wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
BlackLawliet wrote:
jimmyjetset wrote:

I'm lousy, playing around with this. Seems like black is in better shape

 

 

 

If this happens, their is this line:

In this position, white is completely winning.

Aren’t two pieces worth more then a rook? Actually, white has 2 pawns as well. Could white have an attack here?

My computer says black is winning.

I see. I still do think it's a powerful weapon in shorter time controls though!