Non-E4 openings?

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noamdanzigepelman

I am rated about 1400 but play against higher rated players often, about 1450-1550 rated. As white I play the vienna, but im so sick of facing caro-kanns, sicillians, and other openings that can be player against e4. I don't think that I'm ready to play the catalan, but i want to try some d4 opening, like the trompowsky or others. Any reccomdations? 

darkunorthodox88
noamdanzigepelman wrote:

I am rated about 1400 but play against higher rated players often, about 1450-1550 rated. As white I play the vienna, but im so sick of facing caro-kanns, sicillians, and other openings that can be player against e4. I don't think that I'm ready to play the catalan, but i want to try some d4 opening, like the trompowsky or others. Any reccomdations?

they are like 12 respectable ways to begin the game,, why you focused on such a narrow set?

noamdanzigepelman

I want to just find a few good openings and truly master them

darkunorthodox88

go learn 1.b3

dpnorman

Why not play the English? It's a good opening and a lot of players with black are not as well prepared for it as they would be for 1. e4.

You can play 1. c4, or if you don't like 1. c4 e5, you can achieve English-like positions via 1. Nf3 and 2. c4 in some lines, with a lot of possible transpositions to 1. d4 openings as well if those interest you.

noamdanzigepelman

Dosent the english have a lot of theory, and is a very slow and often boring opening, or is that all not true?

dpnorman
noamdanzigepelman wrote:

Dosent the english have a lot of theory, and is a very slow and often boring opening, or is that all not true?

The former is true of everything; you are not going to be able to find a good opening without a lot of theory. There's tons of theory on the London, the Torre, the Tromp, 1. b3, the various 1. Nf3 systems, etc.

As indicated above, I do kinda think that vs non-1. e4 or 1. d4 openings, the average club player might be less likely to know much, but admittedly that's an anecdotal claim. If that's true, it's an appeal of the English.

"Very slow and often boring opening" is a subjective statement. I guess it depends on what you find to be boring in chess personally. But it can lead to rich positions like almost anything else

Jayaway

how about the beioni ? d4 nf6 c4 c5

SamuelAjedrez95

The main respectable moves are e4, d4, c4 and Nf3. g3 is also decent and can transpose into some openings like Catalan, English and KIA.

I would encourage learning more about Sicilian, French and Caro Kann as these can be really fun openings to play. Many of the greatest games have been played from these openings. You can't always get the opening you expect but if you set aside the expectation and appreciate these openings, I think you can enjoy the game more.

An e4 player is someone who enjoys playing these openings as they are the most common responses. If you really don't enjoy playing them, you shouldn't be playing e4.

d4 is another one of the best moves. There is plenty of fun to be had in d4 as well. You will get to play things like Queen's Gambit, King's Indian, Grünfeld, Nimzo-Indian, Dutch.

English is good. Often this can be used to consistently enter a familiar setup and structure. I have a friend who always plays this kind of thing:

This can be quite slow and positional but it could be something you are comfortable with.

Nf3 is also good. It's typically either transposing into a d4 opening or one of the various hypermodern setups like the Reti, KIA or Nimzo-Larsen Attack.

FrogCDE

I'm a bit higher-rated than you, and have been playing a long time, but am in a similar position. I'm happy playing e4 against e5 and the Sicilian, but have never really felt comfortable against some other defences, especially the French. I'm just starting to do what @dpnorman recommends, playing 1.nf3 as a way into the English (and if Black plays 1...d5 then the Reti proper with 2.c4). Played and won my first rated game with it last night, and it felt so good to be doing something a bit different. There are lots of videos on the repertoire on the internet.

MeercatsForMayor

why are like titled players responding to this but i would play the queens gambit or something

dpnorman
MeercatsforMayor wrote:

why are like titled players responding to this but i would play the queens gambit or something

Hey, he didn't say titled players couldn't respond to it, so why wouldn't we? happy.png

MeercatsForMayor
dpnorman wrote:
MeercatsforMayor wrote:

why are like titled players responding to this but i would play the queens gambit or something

Hey, he didn't say titled players couldn't respond to it, so why wouldn't we?

ya but were like mice to you to us you guys are like gods lol

dpnorman
MeercatsforMayor wrote:
dpnorman wrote:
MeercatsforMayor wrote:

why are like titled players responding to this but i would play the queens gambit or something

Hey, he didn't say titled players couldn't respond to it, so why wouldn't we?

ya but were like mice to you to us you guys are like gods lol

I mean that's very flattering but you gotta remember there are *hundreds* of 12 year olds who are considerably stronger than I will ever become. There are a lot of chess masters in the world!

Sea_TurtIe

personally i go for this structure

its probally not great if e4 is played 

Jayaway

yeah

SamuelAjedrez95
FrogCDE wrote:

I'm a bit higher-rated than you, and have been playing a long time, but am in a similar position. I'm happy playing e4 against e5 and the Sicilian, but have never really felt comfortable against some other defences, especially the French. I'm just starting to do what @dpnorman recommends, playing 1.nf3 as a way into the English (and if Black plays 1...d5 then the Reti proper with 2.c4). Played and won my first rated game with it last night, and it felt so good to be doing something a bit different. There are lots of videos on the repertoire on the internet.

I wasn't sure what to play against the French for a long time. I've been playing the Tarrasch but finally decided I want to switch to Nc3.

I like these positions. It feels in a similar spirit to some sharp Najdorf.

The Open Sicilian I absolutely adore. This is why I play e4.

Ethan_Brollier

I'd recommend 1. Nf3 over essentially anything else if you don't like playing specific openings. That's literally the whole point of the move: "Black played something I don't want to play against? Joke's on them I'll just play the KIA or the English."

Ethan_Brollier
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
FrogCDE wrote:

I'm a bit higher-rated than you, and have been playing a long time, but am in a similar position. I'm happy playing e4 against e5 and the Sicilian, but have never really felt comfortable against some other defences, especially the French. I'm just starting to do what @dpnorman recommends, playing 1.nf3 as a way into the English (and if Black plays 1...d5 then the Reti proper with 2.c4). Played and won my first rated game with it last night, and it felt so good to be doing something a bit different. There are lots of videos on the repertoire on the internet.

I wasn't sure what to play against the French for a long time. I've been playing the Tarrasch but finally decided I want to switch to Nc3.

I like these positions. It feels in a similar spirit to some sharp Najdorf.

The Open Sicilian I absolutely adore. This is why I play e4.

The Winawer feels absolutely fantastic to play against as White. You just blitz Black's kingside and they fall apart at the seams. I prefer the Mainline to the Steinitz currently (I'll be making the switch soon) because of that one MacCutcheon line, I love planting a pawn on g7 and taunting Black: "Go on, take it. I dare you. I double-dare you. You won't. You coward."

EKAFC
noamdanzigepelman wrote:

I am rated about 1400 but play against higher rated players often, about 1450-1550 rated. As white I play the vienna, but im so sick of facing caro-kanns, sicillians, and other openings that can be player against e4. I don't think that I'm ready to play the catalan, but i want to try some d4 opening, like the trompowsky or others. Any reccomdations? 

You could try the Queen's Gambit and learn a few lines. This is my main opening as White but I have been trying to learn 1.e4 lately. Caro is a joke if you watch Gotham Chess' video on the Tal Variation and copy his pgn. I would suggest you look at 4.c4!? against the 3...c5 variation. For the Sicilian, Rossolimo has been recommended in Keep It Simple so it can't be a variation to learn. Maybe you should go for a Fried Liver Attack as is it a very dynamic opening as long as you know a few ideas. 

 

At the end of the day, it is what you enjoy playing and I would recommend you try a lot of openings and find what you like. Make sure it's not a London though