Opening against e4 as well d4?

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jake_allstar1

I'm starting off and would like to avoid learning different openings as black against all the different things white can do. Is there anything basic (doesn't involve super precise theory) opening that I can use against basically any white opening?

I'm sure later I'll need to know more openings but at my level everybody screws up every part of the game. I just want to shorten the learning curb by seeing very similar types of games.

Thanks for the help.

jipmaat1
There are some basic setups like the black lion, Simon williams has some videos on YouTube explaining it pretty well, but i recommend you learn different openings against e4 and d4 o become a better player
PatrickSwayC

Do whatever you feel is a right move. Don't forget your opponent has your level of play. Sure, you will encounter a few traps and lose a piece or two. Learn from it (and copy it a game or two), and move on. You will lose and draw more games than you will win anyway.

PatrickSwayC

PatrickSwayC wrote:

Do whatever you feel is a right move. Don't forget your opponent has your level of play. Sure, you will encounter a few traps and lose a piece or two. Learn from it (and copy it a game or two), and move on. You will lose and draw more games than you will win anyway.

But that didnt answer your question. A solid setup is to fianchetto the kingside bishop, get the knight out and castle. Your king will be safe, and you have a nice setup to attack white's queenside.

GodsPawn2016
jake_allstar1 wrote:

I'm starting off and would like to avoid learning different openings as black against all the different things white can do. Is there anything basic (doesn't involve super precise theory) opening that I can use against basically any white opening?

 

I'm sure later I'll need to know more openings but at my level everybody screws up every part of the game. I just want to shorten the learning curb by seeing very similar types of games.

 

Thanks for the help.

The basics of each phase of the game

 

Opening:

Follow the Opening principles:

1.      Control the center squares – d4-e4-d5-e5

2.      Develop your minor pieces toward the center – piece activity is the key

Ø  Complete your development before moving a piece twice or starting an attack.

Ø  Move pieces not pawns.

3.      Castle

4.      Connect your rooks

Ø    By move 12, you should have connected your Rooks, or be about to do so.

 

Middle game:

When you have completed the Opening Principles, you are now at the middle game.  Now you need to formulate a middle game plan.  The middle game is a very complicated part of a chess game.  A simple way to develop a middle game plan is to perform the following steps.

1.      Scan your opponents 5th, and 6th ranks (3rd, and 4th if your black)

2.      Look for weak pawns, and or weak squares.

Ø  Weak pawns and squares are Pawns, and squares that cannot be defended by another Pawn.

Ø  Knights are excellent pieces on weak squares.

Ø  When deciding on weak squares, and weak Pawns to attack, the closer to the center the better

 

End game:

Start with the basics:

1.      Learn basic mates – KQ vs. K, KR vs. K, KRR vs. K

2.      Learn Opposition, and Key Squares

3.      Learn basic King and Pawn endings

1.      Control the center squares – d4-e4-d5-e5

2.      Develop your minor pieces toward the center – piece activity is the key

3.      Castle

 

4.      Connect your rooks

jake_allstar1

Thank you everyone

To Patrick and godspawn,

I understand what you're saying and thank you. However I think I'll learn the middle game quicker (which in my humble and admittedly limited opinion, is more important than the opening) if I'm using the same opening, therefor seeing similar types of middle games. Obviously I'm willing to admit I'm wrong... But I'm hard-headed so I need to be shown.

To jipmaat,

Thank you. That's exactly what I was looking for. While it seems like most GM's don't use the black lion so I will likely need to learn other openings in the future, I can't see anybody at my level taking advantage of me for not playing this opening perfectly.

I'm currently watching Simon's videos on the subject and intend to implement the black lion.

Obviously I would like to hear from anyone with any other openings or any other advice.

Thank you.

jake_allstar1
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BluemanIsBack

1.e4 c5 Sicilian.
2.d4 f5 Dutch.
There you go :) 

jake_allstar1

BluemanIsBack wrote:

1.e4 c5 Sicilian.2.d4 f5 Dutch.There you go :) 

As I understand it Sicilian is very heavy in theory, requiring perfect moves. And that is two different openings depending on e4 or d4. I'd prefer one opening to both. Which would limit the opening prep required to learn middle and end game.

BluemanIsBack

You could take up the Scandinavian against 1.e4, that's 1...d5. It's less theory than the Sicilian.

Further it's not really possible to have just one opening against e4 and d4. For instance you could play 1..d5 against 1.d4 as well. But it will give another opening as the Scandinavian.

tigerbaitlsu

Try the French against e4 and Queens Gambit Declined against d4. Both top tier openings and offer similar (ish) positions.

BluemanIsBack

The French and the QGD are both separately a ton more theory than the Scandinavian and the Dutch, especially at beginner level.

PatrickSwayC
jake_allstar1 schreef:

However I think I'll learn the middle game quicker (which in my humble and admittedly limited opinion, is more important than the opening) if I'm using the same opening, therefor seeing similar types of middle games.

 

Well, you asked for a basic opening for black wink.png 

 

Furthermore, you dismiss openings on the premise that they 'have a lot of theory' (like the Sicillian). I wouldnt care about this at all if I were you. You will see many of the same answers to the same moves. Which basicly is memorization of an opening, not understanding the goal of this opening). Most people are just as lost on this theory as you are, when you decide to play a random defensive move like h6 or a6 instead.

btl1230
Why not try 1....g6 against everything? Maybe 1.b3 or 1.b4 is an exception
Master_Po

Jake, I 2nd the choice on the prowling Black Lion.  I'm trying it now and liking it.   Also ordered the book "A Cunning Chess Opening for Black - Lure Your Opponent Into the Philidor Swamp"  (the Black Lion is actually a Philidor variation)   The other book on it looks good too, it is "The Black Lion - the Chess Predator's Choice against both e4 and d4"  Check them out on Amazon.  If you get the 2nd book above, we can compare notes on both books. 

   I just played a game with the Black Lion, and the guy attacked sort of with a Fried Liver thing, and I was at a loss what to do...turns out after he brought his N down threatening Nxf7 protected by his B, I made the right move, d5 threatening his B, but missed the next correct move which was to kick his N away.  Ended up drawing the guy.   It's an exciting def for Black, and White isn't going to run over you or get any big advantage on you right away.  

(Jipmaat is right and GodsPawn always gives solid advice.  That vid on Black Lion by Williams is great and wets your appetite...course it goes down a perfect line that certainly isn't always followed...the books will probably help there) 

 

 

BronsteinPawn

1...d5 2...resigns.

BronsteinPawn

1...e6 2...d5 can be universally played, however they would not be the same opening.

EndeavourMorse

why not try Owens Defence which is solid!

ThrillerFan
jake_allstar1 wrote:

I'm starting off and would like to avoid learning different openings as black against all the different things white can do. Is there anything basic (doesn't involve super precise theory) opening that I can use against basically any white opening?

 

I'm sure later I'll need to know more openings but at my level everybody screws up every part of the game. I just want to shorten the learning curb by seeing very similar types of games.

 

Thanks for the help.

Forget trying to learn openings right now.  Opening concepts is what you should be doing.

If White pushes a pawn in the center 2 squares, oppose it with yours.  You grab your share of the center, and control 2 squares for the moment just like White does.

In other words, answer 1.d4 with 1...d5, 1.e4 with 1...e5, 1.c4 with 1...c5, etc., and follow basic concepts.

After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3, your pawn is being attacked.  Defend the pawn!  Since White has a piece developed, you want to catch up with him, 1 to 1 in developing pieces, and so 2...Nc6 is best.

After 1.d4 d5 2.c4, again, your pawn is being attacked (you don't want to force the Queen out to the center too early), so 2...c6 or 2...e6, protecting your pawn, is best.  Note that taking his pawn on c4 gives away the center, the most critical part of the board.

You should be thinking in this manner rather than trying to study openings.

BluemanIsBack

I second that. However it can be fun to learn an opening. Just don't pick a too advanced one. It might be advisible to always occupy the center with a pawn (d5, e5). I still think the Scandinavian is good, because this trades off the white center-pawn instead. For 1.d4 you'll play maybe better just 1...d5.