Opening similar to Vienna Gambit for Black?

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Any openings similar to the Vienna game/gambit for black?

Many Thanks

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King's gambit is quite similar to the nc6 Vienna gambit

The more safe lines with bc4 instead of f4 are quite similar to the Italian but the versatility of the C pawn rather than the knight on c3 in the Italian makes it better imo 

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ofc i don't play 1. e4 so this is all off memory

Avatar of ThemugglebornprinceRWAY

Not really, there is the rosseau gambit and the winnaver defense. Even the jaenisch gambit against the ruy lopez. That is about it.

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oh I didn't realize you said as black

no not really

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not really... that one tempo makes a huge difference for vienna.

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But they can play d4.

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Rosseau gambit and winnaver defense and jaenisch are the only ones. They are risky though.

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TommyPeebles_07 wrote:

Any openings similar to the Vienna game/gambit for black?

Many Thanks

Yes, it's called the Vienna Game or Vienna Gambit!

You play 1...e5 and if White plays 2.Nc3, it is a Vienna Game (2...Nf6 3.f4/3.Bc4/3.g3) or Vienna Gambit (2...Nc6 3.f4)

 

Clearly you will need an answer for 2.Nf3 and 2.f4.

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What about the Latvian gambit?

Avatar of ThemugglebornprinceRWAY

That gambit is refuted and you should never play it.

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1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 f5

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That is the jaenisch.

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I plan to use it myself.

Rosseau gambit is a bit meh.Winnaver defense too.

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The Jaenisch/ Schliemann is a perfectly good opening, although I suspect it is not what you are looking at by nature.

Sure, it also has a few very sharp and extremely risky (or rather unsound) lines, but in its modern form it should be regarded as an opening played with a draw at mind.

You can skip the rest of the Black openings involving an early ...f5 as junk.

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So you are the im who called levy junk!

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https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1504367 

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Note that it is quite possible to just get a reversed Vienna gambit. Quite a number of my games is 1. e4 e5, 2. Nf3 Nc6, 3. a2 f5. Sure, white has that a3 pawn in comparison to normal Vienna gambit, but it is not a useful move.

 

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Yes, but usually you have an italian and not a3. Perfectly fine if your opponent plays something random though. But do not play the winnawer as it is bad and so is the rosseau gambit. The jaenisch is great though like what pfren said. It is an anti ruy lopez weapon and I might use it.

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A "Vienna Game" in reverse might be 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 g6, something Smyslov used to play.  The idea ...f7-f5 might come later.