Opening similar to Vienna Gambit for Black?

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TommyPeebles_07

Any openings similar to the Vienna game/gambit for black?

Many Thanks

DasBurner

King's gambit is quite similar to the nc6 Vienna gambit

The more safe lines with bc4 instead of f4 are quite similar to the Italian but the versatility of the C pawn rather than the knight on c3 in the Italian makes it better imo 

DasBurner

ofc i don't play 1. e4 so this is all off memory

ThemugglebornprinceRWAY

Not really, there is the rosseau gambit and the winnaver defense. Even the jaenisch gambit against the ruy lopez. That is about it.

DasBurner

oh I didn't realize you said as black

no not really

ninjaswat

not really... that one tempo makes a huge difference for vienna.

ThemugglebornprinceRWAY

But they can play d4.

ThemugglebornprinceRWAY

Rosseau gambit and winnaver defense and jaenisch are the only ones. They are risky though.

ThrillerFan
TommyPeebles_07 wrote:

Any openings similar to the Vienna game/gambit for black?

Many Thanks

Yes, it's called the Vienna Game or Vienna Gambit!

You play 1...e5 and if White plays 2.Nc3, it is a Vienna Game (2...Nf6 3.f4/3.Bc4/3.g3) or Vienna Gambit (2...Nc6 3.f4)

 

Clearly you will need an answer for 2.Nf3 and 2.f4.

MatthewFreitag

What about the Latvian gambit?

ThemugglebornprinceRWAY

That gambit is refuted and you should never play it.

tygxc

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 f5

ThemugglebornprinceRWAY

That is the jaenisch.

ThemugglebornprinceRWAY

I plan to use it myself.

Rosseau gambit is a bit meh.Winnaver defense too.

DCthedestroyer

So you are the im who called levy junk!

tygxc

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1504367 

MichalMalkowski

Note that it is quite possible to just get a reversed Vienna gambit. Quite a number of my games is 1. e4 e5, 2. Nf3 Nc6, 3. a2 f5. Sure, white has that a3 pawn in comparison to normal Vienna gambit, but it is not a useful move.

 

ThemugglebornprinceRWAY

Yes, but usually you have an italian and not a3. Perfectly fine if your opponent plays something random though. But do not play the winnawer as it is bad and so is the rosseau gambit. The jaenisch is great though like what pfren said. It is an anti ruy lopez weapon and I might use it.

Impractical

A "Vienna Game" in reverse might be 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 g6, something Smyslov used to play.  The idea ...f7-f5 might come later.

TommyPeebles_07
ThemugglebornprinceRWAY wrote:

That gambit is refuted and you should never play it.

Yes, but who knows the refutation? No one at 1400