Opening similar to Vienna Gambit for Black?

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TommyPeebles_07
pfren wrote:
SpeedyScorpionBull wrote:

So you are the im who called levy junk!

 

So? May I guess that you are an annoyed fanboy?

Get out of my forum.

TommyPeebles_07
pfren wrote:
TommyPeebles_07 wrote:

Get out of my forum.

 

You mean that an idiot's thread is none of my business?

You certainly have a point!

As a matter of fact, it is none of your business. Idiot. Jealous old man.

TommyPeebles_07
pfren wrote:
TommyPeebles_07 wrote:

Get out of my forum.

 

You mean that an idiot's thread is none of my business?

You certainly have a point!

Jealous of Gotham Chess

DrSpudnik

The Vienna Gambit is barely playable by White. With Black, you're a move down and the job is twice as hard.

There is some sketchy Philidor's gambit (with an early f5) but this is more of a threat to Black than White, if he's prepared.

ThrillerFan
little_guinea_pig wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:

The Vienna Gambit is barely playable by White. With Black, you're a move down and the job is twice as hard.

There is some sketchy Philidor's gambit (with an early f5) but this is more of a threat to Black than White, if he's prepared.

I'm pretty sure it's called the Balogh Defense or something like that...

 

Balogh Countergambit is 1.e4 d6 2.d4 f5 or 1.d4 f5 2.e4 d6.

 

The Philidor Counter Gambit is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5.

MatthewFreitag

The Latvian is sound enough to play, and I don't think the concensus is a clear refutation. With that being said, it's definetly too risky for the highest level (although it seems some play in correspondence.)

The Jaenish is not similar to the Vienna Gambit. I think you will find yourself dissapointed with the positions and the play that results from it, if you are looking for a Vienna Gambit with the black pieces.

ConfusedGhoul

the Latvian is total trash and it was refuted a long time ago, the refutation is so simple even a beginner can learn it, I mean if the King's Gambit is almost losing for White then the King's Gambit a tempo down sounds very stupid on paper, right? Further analysis and practice show this is the case

DrSpudnik

The Latvian is one of those dubious openings with an avid fan base who will play it against anyone any time. Others are Blackmar-Diemer, Grob, London.

tygxc

#35
London > Grob > Blackmar-Diemer > Latvian
London is not dubious, played at top level in classical time control by Carlsen and Kramnik.

ConfusedGhoul

the traditional London isn't dubious but all the others are

DrSpudnik
tygxc wrote:

#35
London > Grob > Blackmar-Diemer > Latvian
London is not dubious, played at top level in classical time control by Carlsen and Kramnik.

This is a common and terrible argument that floats around every time someone promotes some garbage opening. There were even threads years ago where the argument went: "Well Nakamura played 1/e4 e5 2.Qh5, so it must be good..."

While the London is not a terrible opening in itself, just because some top GMs play it, doesn't mean it's all that good. It may well be that when Carlsen plays it in speed chess events, he has something planned OR he may be hiding his decent preparation in the QGD for an event that means something like a championship or big money event.

MatthewFreitag
pfren wrote:
MatthewFreitag wrote:

The Latvian is sound enough to play, and I don't think the concensus is a clear refutation. With that being said, it's definetly too risky for the highest level (although it seems some play in correspondence.)

 

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Latvian is total junk, and especially in correspondence nobody plays it anymore: the score for white would be close to 100%.

Just quoting Nick de Firmian, I have no attachment to the Latvian whatsoever.