Opening theory and engines are ruining the game.

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The_Artist_of_Chess
AngryPuffer wrote:

there is 0 problem with opening theory. if you were to remove all knowledge of the opening to everyone, then what would happen is that people would start experimenting and trying to find the best openings all over agian by trial and error. (pretend computers dont exist) opening theory exists so that the best moves are documented for people to play that opening correctly. without documentation people would just play hundreds or thousands of games using a bunch of random openings untill they were able to come to the conclusion that the masters came up with

However, computers have completely ruined chess. most GM games before the early/mid 2000s were typically much more interesting, attacking, and mistake filled. and seeing their oppoment punish the mistake with a beautiful combination is what was amazing. nowadays most GMs have 30 moves of computer prep (that typically goes into an endgame) so they can play the endgame perfectly too. why do you think most GMs accuracy's are near perfect? all GM games are filled with computer prep and computer openings and are no longer fun or interesting to watch. the only thing keeping chess alive are the GMs playing slightly dubious lines in order to get you out of prep and then you might actually see a entertaining game.

I completely agree with the second part, but, of course, I disagree. Firstly, chess players are dedicating all of their time and effort into opening theory even though they don’t even know positional or tactical basics, meaning they don’t know what the hell they’re playing or why they’re playing it- hence why the average game is starting to get worse and worse. If you’re gonna play opening theory, make sure you understand to the absolute fullest why you’re playing it and use it to refine your skills instead of memorizing it. Otherwise, you’re in for a bad game. In fact, I would use opening theory as a tactical and positional study instead of memorization.

The_Artist_of_Chess
Badchesserrr wrote:
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KingNinja14 wrote:

I see your point. If thats all your saying thats fine but I you ahve to remember that theory is built off of people knowing about chess so don't forget that.

Fair point, but opening theory isn’t helpful if you don’t understand the moves. Is an alphabet useful when you don’t know how to read?

Actually i do understand the moves.

Do you? I hear everyone say they understand the moves yet they have no idea why they’re playing them. Let’s say you were given the choice between theory and some other reasonable move, and you don’t know which one is theory. You can absolutely guarantee that you’ll chose the theory? You need to carefully analyze every single move in your 30-move deep singular line of the Najdorf Sicilian and completely understand why you’re playing those moves like they’re part of your own mind. Let’s say, the French. In the Advance, you play c5. I would play that. I understand why people play that. I understand it carries out a counterattacking plan and sets the course for the rest of the game as a battle between the center.

If you’re a genius, okay. Play your Najdorf which you understand like kindergarten-level math. If you’re not, do some revision and try to learn from the theory instead of just memorizing them. Basically, treat theory like your own move, something you can make up using your own positional and tactical knowledge.

The_Artist_of_Chess
Badchesserrr wrote:
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Badchesserrr wrote:

The only thing keeping my rating afloat is theory. I won't listen to your philosophy till I get my tactics straight.

That’s a bad habit, learn your positional ideas and tactics and drop excessive theory. Use only the first few moves to get an idea of your opening, which you already do considering you study loads of theory.

Trust me, your rating should spike up like crazy once you refine your actual chess skill.

Bro you actually lowkey made me lose 3 games already

Oh, no, that’s not me, that’s you who decided to put your full attention into opening theory ever since you started the game. The process of improvement takes time. Alcohol addicts feel terrible when they quit, but after a few weeks they feel the best they’ve been their entire lives, right?

AhmedAryan
The_Artist_of_Chess wrote:
Badchesserrr wrote:
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KingNinja14 wrote:

I see your point. If thats all your saying thats fine but I you ahve to remember that theory is built off of people knowing about chess so don't forget that.

Fair point, but opening theory isn’t helpful if you don’t understand the moves. Is an alphabet useful when you don’t know how to read?

Actually i do understand the moves.

Do you? I hear everyone say they understand the moves yet they have no idea why they’re playing them. Let’s say you were given the choice between theory and some other reasonable move, and you don’t know which one is theory. You can absolutely guarantee that you’ll chose the theory? You need to carefully analyze every single move in your 30-move deep singular line of the Najdorf Sicilian and completely understand why you’re playing those moves like they’re part of your own mind. Let’s say, the French. In the Advance, you play c5. I would play that. I understand why people play that. I understand it carries out a counterattacking plan and sets the course for the rest of the game as a battle between the center.

If you’re a genius, okay. Play your Najdorf which you understand like kindergarten-level math. If you’re not, do some revision and try to learn from the theory instead of just memorizing them. Basically, treat theory like your own move, something you can make up using your own positional and tactical knowledge.

ooo shiny

AhmedAryan
d4iscrazy wrote:

ngl this post is valid but overexaggerates on the amount of people that focus on opening theory.

I think the point is that it's fine, but you should be able to actually understand the move, for example here:

Like in the diagram above, I actually understand the purpose of the moves, so it's fine. Just know the purpose of your theory.

i think they saw like

and were baffled by the sheer stupidity

jokes aside,

i guess this maybe but there's still reasons behind each move even if not apparent

this entire thing though is a joke i did read what they actually said

lfPatriotGames
The_Artist_of_Chess wrote:
KingNinja14 wrote:

I see your point. If thats all your saying thats fine but I you ahve to remember that theory is built off of people knowing about chess so don't forget that.

Fair point, but opening theory isn’t helpful if you don’t understand the moves. Is an alphabet useful when you don’t know how to read?

Yes, an alphabet is useful when you don't know how to read. I would say if you dont know how to read, the alphabet is THE most useful thing to have. Because knowing the alphabet is how almost everyone learns how to read.

Sack_o_Potatoes

what ruins chess is ppl that say opening theory ruins chess :0

RakeshMahanti

Play chess960. Bobby Fischer invented it because he had the same issue. Basically, all the pieces are mixed up, and you have to rely on your knowledge,

Badchesserrr4486999

ok screw dis imma go play 694200 lines of theory confirmed by stockfish.

Badchesserrr4486999
RakeshMahanti

This is why you don't play the Ruy Lopez.

Badchesserrr4486999
Bogo-IndianaJones написал:

This is why you don't play the Ruy Lopez.

Exactly why.

Badchesserrr4486999

Your opponent can't play by book and will play something garbage like the schliemann.

Chuck639
Badchesserrr wrote:
 

What with all the knight jumps?

Badchesserrr4486999
Chuck639 написал:
Badchesserrr wrote:
 

What with all the knight jumps?

That knight is going places. f5 is a excellent square for the knight, And also according to book is a excellent idea.

The_Artist_of_Chess
lfPatriotGames wrote:
The_Artist_of_Chess wrote:
KingNinja14 wrote:

I see your point. If thats all your saying thats fine but I you ahve to remember that theory is built off of people knowing about chess so don't forget that.

Fair point, but opening theory isn’t helpful if you don’t understand the moves. Is an alphabet useful when you don’t know how to read?

Yes, an alphabet is useful when you don't know how to read. I would say if you dont know how to read, the alphabet is THE most useful thing to have. Because knowing the alphabet is how almost everyone learns how to read.

Let’s say you don’t intend on learning how to read. Does an alphabet mean anything at all?

The_Artist_of_Chess
Sack_o_Potatoes wrote:

what ruins chess is ppl that say opening theory ruins chess :0

my preposterous statements aren’t affecting your games

Badchesserrr4486999
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lfPatriotGames wrote:
The_Artist_of_Chess wrote:
KingNinja14 wrote:

I see your point. If thats all your saying thats fine but I you ahve to remember that theory is built off of people knowing about chess so don't forget that.

Fair point, but opening theory isn’t helpful if you don’t understand the moves. Is an alphabet useful when you don’t know how to read?

Yes, an alphabet is useful when you don't know how to read. I would say if you dont know how to read, the alphabet is THE most useful thing to have. Because knowing the alphabet is how almost everyone learns how to read.

Let’s say you don’t intend on learning how to read. Does an alphabet mean anything at all?

Soo what you are saying is the book is the alphabet, And if we aren't intending to play by the book, Then yes, It doesnt mean a thing.

RivertonKnight

The stronger you become the more chess becomes an applied science

lyric_Sangram

This is why I don't understand but the worst part for me in agame is the opening. I can proceed further in the middle game with critical decisions but have to pick a familiar opening. The possibility of many openings make it very tricky.