Opening to keep pieces on the board

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karushima

So, I'd like to find openings I can go for if I wanna keep as many pieces on the board as possible. The reason is that I want to practice complex positions and I don't want to give up the advantage in the game to get to such positions. I want you to share some openings where trading pieces is not nessesery to get the even game.

Martin_Stahl

You really don'thave much control over that. If your opponent wants to trade, there is often little you can do to prevent it, and avoiding trades may be detrimental. 

anarak82
Ruy Lopez and King's Indian Defense come to mind.
karushima
Martin_Stahl wrote:

You really don'thave much control over that. If your opponent wants to trade, there is often little you can do to prevent it, and avoiding trades may be detrimental. 

Of course, but in some cases if you trade instead of not trading that gonna leave you with a worth position. Using the same logic, you can force your oponent not to trade for some time, and if he does, you'd get a guaranteed advantage. That's what I'm looking for.

Martin_Stahl

If there was an opening that gave a guaranteed advantage then everyone would play it grin.png

karushima

I didn't say a guaranteed advantage, just an opening wich force your opponent to keep pieces on the board as long as possible

blueemu

King's Indian Attack. An old OTB tournament game of mine:

congrandolor

Look at the Colle-Zuckertort played by Carlsen vs Karjakin in the 8ht game of the wcc match.

incorrectname
blueemu wrote:

King's Indian Attack. An old OTB tournament game of mine:

i play that but rarely get into the attacking position

MrFahrenKnight

depends what you mean by pieces. does this include pawns?

try openings that don't attack the centre from the outset with traded pawns. i reckon flank and closed positions. ofc, as previously stated, you're not in control. you can only try and guide.

but at some point you're going to have to trade.

one example: sicilian closed

http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=22&n=46612&ms=e4.c5.Nc3.Nc6.g3.g6.Bg2.Bg7.d3.d6.Be3.e6.Qd2.Rb8.Nge2.Nd4.O-O.Ne7.Nd1.O-O.c3


Sqod

Ditto to Ruy Lopez.

Martin_Stahl
richie_and_oprah wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

If there was an opening that gave a guaranteed advantage then everyone would play it 

1. d4 2. c4

+/= all day all night. 

 

Yet, the practical results are about the same as other established openings.

ilikewindmills
Try the Slav or the Caro-Kann. You'll find that you can get the game into either of them as black and it will create a closed position with little to no attacks and will have a high draw rate. Often the sides will have a pawn barrier protecting their pieces.

FYI - Caro-Kann (1.e4 c6 2.d4 [This is the most common] d5 3. e5 [Advance Variation - Most Common again] Bf5)

Slav (1.d4 d5 2.c4 [Queens Gambit, this isn't a forced move but most common] c5)

I don't know many Slav lines as I play QGD, but it works quite well.
karushima
MrFahrenKnight wrote:

depends what you mean by pieces. does this include pawns?

Basecly I didn't include pawns, ideally I'm looking for sharp position with a lot of pieces where you don't necessary have to swap all the pieces and get to an endgame.

karushima

Thanks everyone for responding!

ModestAndPolite

To avoid exchanges you have to prevent your pieces coming into contact with the opponents.  I reckon the best way to do that is to play a Hedgehog formation.  If you want to learn about "Hedgehogs"  MIhai Suba explained them pretty well a long time ago in hios book on "Dynamic Chess"

MrFahrenKnight

ok pawns not important, you could try these. (some have been identified above.)

C99 Ruy Lopez, closed 

http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=32&n=9120&ms=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bb5.a6.Bc4.Nf6.O-O.Be7.Re1.b5.Bb3.d6.c3.O-O.h3.Na5.Bc2.c5.d4.Qc7.Nbd2.cxd4.cxd4.Nc6.Nb3.a5.Be3.a4.Nbd2&ns=3.5.5.6.5.275.3718.5283.18922.22958.20226.24615.1414.1247.1232.2615.2722.2745.2723.2746.2767.2761.2768.9201.9217.9193.9218.9194.9119.9084.9120

C51 Evans gambit, Paulsen variation

(You need to know the theory on evans gambit, otherwise your king will be in a lot of trouble. personally i prefer to avoid the pawn sac.)

http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=30&n=5488893&ms=e4.e5.Nf3.Nc6.Bc4.Bc5.b4.Bxb4.c3.Ba5.d4.exd4.O-O.d6.cxd4.Bb6.d5.Na5.Bb2.Ne7.Bd3.O-O.Nc3.Ng6.Ne2.c5.Qd2.f6.Kh1&ns=3.5.5.6.80.161.302.344.447.461.448.462.494.6175.5907.126294.321489.985444.1174578.2999832.251425.258983.3999295.4294864.4971453.5146406.4971454.5151295.5488893

B92 Sicilian, Najdorf

http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=34&n=2056086&ms=e4.c5.Nf3.d6.d4.cxd4.Nxd4.Nf6.Nc3.a6.Be2.e5.Nb3.Be7.O-O.O-O.Be3.Be6.Qd2.Nbd7.a4.Rc8.a5.Qc7.Rfd1.Rfd8.Qe1.Qc6.Bf3.h6.Nc1.Nc5.N1a2

kings indian attack

http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=26&n=866712&ms=Nf3.d5.g3.c5.Bg2.Nc6.O-O.e5.d3.Nf6.Nbd2.Be7.e4.O-O.c3.Re8.Re1.Bf8.exd5.Nxd5.Nc4.f6.Qb3.Re6.a4

english opening

http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=30&n=119870&ms=c4.Nf6.Nc3.g6.g3.Bg7.Bg2.O-O.Nf3.d6.O-O.e5.d3.Nc6.Rb1.a5.a3.h6.b4.axb4.axb4.Be6.b5.Ne7.Bb2.Qd7.Re1.Bh3.Bh1&ns=15.24.87.174.637.751.28.28.1099.1085.285.292.1198.1212.5125.5334.4175.4233.4176.4234.4300.4302.5993.6007.118518.119184.118519.119185.119870

your problem is forcing these anyway, but you can generally avoid exchanges to force a more complex position. but sometimes the exchange is the only sensible move without weakening your position.