Pirc Harmonist variation, 2.f5

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Navojska

Recently I've been playing against a person, where I was black.

The opening started "1.e4 d6 2.f4 f5".

Unluckily I haven't found almost anything about this opening on the internet and is only considered a variant of Pirc/Harmonist.

Do you know anything about this opening? Have you played this opening? Is it good/playable?

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baddogno

Had to go to an amateur's database to find it.  Looks like you're pretty much busted out of the opening with proper play.

3. d3  5 2007
60 % 20 % 20 %
 
 
3. Bd3  4 2005
75 %   25 %
 
 
3. e5  2 2000
  50 % 50 %
 
 
3. Nc3  0-1Jelinek vs. Novak (2300)
 
3. b3  0-1Aufmwasser (1624) vs. Schneider (2049)
 
3. Nf3  1-0Campioli vs. Piccardo
baddogno

And of course the win/draw/loss % didn't ride along with the copy and paste.  Grrrr.....

For d3 it's 60 20 20

for Bd3     75       25

for e5             50  50

Hope that helps...

Yigor

It's interesting and playable. blitz.pngpeshka.png I'd suggest 3. Nc3 as possibly the best continuation for white.

Navojska
DeirdreSkye wrote:

 Ok , it's playable but I have 2 questions

    Why would you want to play ugly chess?

    Why not try to learn to play good chess?

    Chess is not about if this move or that move is playable. Chess is a difficult game so practically everything is playable , especially in lower levels. The problem is deeper. Every game must be a lesson , a chance to get better. The best way to do that is to play positions that offer more or less lessons that can be useful in many positions.

     Practicing 1.e4 d6 2.f4 f5 won't help you improve. It will only teach you how to play 1.e4 d6 2.f4 f5. And the more you improve you will realise it is a useless lesson  because no good player will play 2.f4 .

    You must try to learn how to exploit inaccurate moves and not reply with inaccuracies in your opponent's inaccuracies. That is what will make you better than the others.

>not playing chess simply for fun and discovering new interesting openings

Yigor

I disagree here, it's not ugly at all. On the contrary, it looks quite stylish in the spirit of romantic chess, King's and Latvian gambits. blitz.pngpeshka.png

congrandolor

2f4 is not the best move, but not bad, as it happens also in the sicilian: 1 e4 c5 2f4, and the French: 1e4 e6 2f4

poucin

1.e4 d6 2.f4 d5!? going for a scandinavian structure where f4 is not so good...

f5 is of course playable but u can have fun playing "normal" moves u know.

Beginning with such moves is the beginning for slaughters...

godsofhell1235

In general, if  you're ever surprised by an early f5 like this, the best move is to capture. When it's not the best move, most of the time it will still be good. Very rarely will it be bad.

godsofhell1235

Oh, the OP is asking as black.

f5 is pretty silly. Generally don't play that unless e4 will be hard to play for white. If white's already played e4 though, just forget about it until much later in the game.