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shuttlechess92

what is black's best response to 1. b4!   ?

and what would a typical game be like?

further, can you give me an example of a polish (is that what it's called?) game where black and white win?

 

thanks- if this has already been posted, well this can be refresher for new members.

Absurd

1. b4 e6 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. a3 b5!? is another interesting possibility to stunt White's space gains on the Queenside.

nocheater

you can play a counter pawn

BillyIdle

   My two dogs and I just finished  Polish and scrambled eggs with my breakfast this morning.  No lie.

I just now played my son with the Polish Opening and he lost because he forgot about my lurking QB on b2.  It happens. 

The Polish is excellent if Black cooperates and plays 1.b4   1.e5  Sokolsky won some very excellent and exciting tactical games with it when Black played e5, but there are ways for Black to avoid the tactics and play a quieter game where b4 becomes just an ordinary move for White. 

   Here is part of a game Sokolsky played at Munich, 1958.  Really have not the time nor the inclination to include all the moves because they are in English chess notation.  The game lasted just 17 moves when Black resigned.

1.b4     1.e4 

2.Bb2   2.f6

3.e4     3.Bxb4

4.Bc4   4.Nc6

5.f4     5.exf

6.Nh3   6.Ne7

7.Nxf4  7.Na5

8.Bxf6!!

          So, Shuttlechess92 you can work it out from here!

shuttlechess92

Thanks! that really helps as I am interested in both the response and usage of the opening, as I do like different things =)

Marshal_Dillon

I would post some of my Polish games but my games never stay in the books for very long so you wouldn't learn the book lines from watching me play. :(

 

OK, here's one I found saved on my hard drive. Most of my other games are on a computer that I can't use anymore because the hard drive crashed. :( 

 

shuttlechess92

oh that's ok but I would still love to see it!

Marshal_Dillon

OK I tried adding one to the post above. You can see it's not textbook at all.

shuttlechess92

that's a very instructive game about the dangers of the fianchetto.

 

nice mating attack and thanks for the game!

Marshal_Dillon

It's hard to play an opening once the other side deviates, but in this one I continued to press for the space advantage on the queen side as though it were a normal Polish opening. I normally don't get to fianchetto the bishop on the king side because it normally guards the c4 square after e3, but I didn't get the chance to play that here. It just shows that you have to be flexible in your moves instead of sticking to book lines all the time. Book lines don't always work as they should if even one move changes.

fischeryouth

well b4 is the orangutan there are some esponses to that i suggest you wiki it

shuttlechess92

orangutan? thanks!

normajeanyates

MCO-14 gives these lines against the sokolosky:

1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 f6 (or 2..Bxb4 3.Bxe5 Nf6: black has better development, white has better centre) (or 2...d6 followed by 3...g6)   3.e4!? Bxb4 4.Bc4 Ne7 5. Qh5+ Ng6 6. f4 exf4 7. Nf3 Qe7 etc

1. b4 Nf6 2. Bb2 (2. Nf3 is 'Santasiere's folly' by transposition) e6! 3. b5 b6 4. e3 Bb7 5. Nf3 Be7 6. Be2 O-O 7. O-O d5! 8. d3 c5 etc

1.b4 c6 2.Bb2 Qb6 3. a3 a5 4. c4 axb4 5. c5! Qc7 6. axb4 Rxa1 7. Bxa1 d6 8. e3 b5 9. Nf3 Bg4 10. Be2 Nd7 = (Nekrasov-Lyuborsky USSR 1970) ---- variations of the last, and also the 1..e5 2.Bb2 Bxb4 3.Bxe5 Nf6 one, were what we often played when we played the sokolosky in the 1970s-80s.

erad1288

Too lazy to say it myself but here http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/041001_h_t_,mt_plsh_grb.html that seems to be just fine as well.

shuttlechess92

wow thanks a lot.  black has some serious game and I get to use my favorite fianchetto :)