Polish opening

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What do you guys think of the polish opening?I like it becuse no matter how black defend his pawn after 2.BB2 there are ways to punish it. for example by moving his F pawn up he hurts his king side but if he plays knight c6 i move my pawn up 1 threating his knight

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After 1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 Bxb4 3. Bxe5 Nf6 White falls behind in development after just 3 moves, quite the achievement.

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The line at #2 is really the acid test of the Urang-Utan/Tartakower/Polish opening.

4.c4 is the modern approach, not allowing Black taking central squares with ...d5. But still, white has not achieved much. As a matter of fact, at a high level Black is scoring massively there.

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Nerwal: "After 1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 Bxb4 3. Bxe5 Nf6 White falls behind in development after just 3 moves, quite the achievement."

   I totally disagree. White has won a center pawn and only lost an expendable pawn. Also, this is an opening that not many black players are familiar with. If so, there is an element of surprise.

   I use it (btw...also known as the orangutan) every once in awhile to "mix it up". Using the same openings all the time is, to me, boring.

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Harvey_Wallbanger wrote:

Nerwal: "After 1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 Bxb4 3. Bxe5 Nf6 White falls behind in development after just 3 moves, quite the achievement."

   I totally disagree. White has won a center pawn and only lost an expendable pawn. Also, this is an opening that not many black players are familiar with. If so, there is an element of surprise.

   I use it (btw...also known as the orangutan) every once in awhile to "mix it up". Using the same openings all the time is, to me, boring.

So, what is your approach there? (after 3...Nf6). 4.c4, or something else? And why you are optimistic about white's chances besides the obvious "central pawn for side pawn"?

There's also the logic "no Black e-pawn, so Black can use the e-file for active operations", and this is precisely what is happening in that particular position....

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   Hey...hey...don't get your hair standing up.

   You had not yet posted when I was writing my post. I respect that you as an IM are far more knowledgeable than me. Got it?

   OK...now I don't think (nor did I say) that the Polish is a great opening. I would never use it when I am attempting to play my best (you know the drill...e4 "best by test").

   But it is (at least at the patzer level) a fun opening that often throws the other player (a patzer, too) a curve.

   What you are talking about is at a higher level of play. If I were to play against you, I would not even consider this opening.

   Saying these things, I stand by what I said. Smile

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   That's OK in my view...I've used that. But, I prefer to get the B positioned on the diagonal first. A "hyper-modern" attack on one of black's center pawns.

   Of course, we are talking here about a less than optimum opening that is fun at our level...certainly not at IM levels. Smile

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To the rookies: I think it is a beginner opening, anyways it offers a lot of surprises when you learn the ''spirit'' of its movements, not recommendable for matches over 3 minutes, I use it in 2 minutes specially. I'm not a chess school player but Polish or Orangutan opening gave to me a lot of satisfactions.

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QuantumButterfly wrote:

I have never come across this one before, and there is very little written about it. Unless I'm looking in the wrong places!

Could be good for rapid games - or at club level - because it's obscure.

I'm going to have to give it some thought

Does 1 b4 e5   2 a3 work?

Isnt it beautifull an opening that black has no idea how to respond to, no boring theory just chess played how it was supposed to be.

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for people who prefer diagrams

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   I retract what I said in #8. The b pawn is bait. When I open the b file, I bring out the B as in hyper-modern, aimed at e5.

   If the bait isn't taken...then I have to protect the b pawn with a3. (Sometimes, in all the excitement...I would forget to protect the b pawn. But I never go to b4 with immediate a3.)

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   I know there are better openings than the Polish. I enjoy playing it occasionally as a novelty. If black is competent, it doesn't work too well.

   I know the Ruy is a good opening, but I rarely use it. I would prefer the Giuoco Piano. And I strive not to accept the Ruy when I play black by preventing it with the Sicilian O'Kelly. (I almost never see anyone else use it when they play black.)

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I love the polish, of course ive always been into those type of openings(fyi cant stand the ruy)

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My last bullet tournament won: (each time I played with whites I used Polish) 

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Just don't even think about using the Polish if you play against IM pfren. Smile

btw...I think the Polish would be very good to use in a bullet game. Many opponents would not expect it and therefore wouldn't be prepared against it.

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Obviously this is for beginner's tournaments (it was for players between 1300-1499). In my other posts I told clearly I recommend this opening for that kind of tournaments.