Positional Opening for Black against e4?

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ItsTwoDuece wrote:

If you don't like the French, the Caro is an alternative. The difference between the two is that in the Caro-Kann you give up a tempo (since you're playing c6 and then c5 instead of just c5 in one move) in order to get the light squared bishop out instead of trapping it behind e6 like in the French. Personally I would prefer the French of the two.

Caro players aren't obligated to play c6-c5 in the Advance.

I find that a lot of a French players think that the Caro-Kann still has the same positional goals as the French, just with a differently placed bishop. But that isn't always the case.

Sometimes the positional goals overlap. Other times, they are quite different. A lot depends on the player and their choice of lines.

For example, this is one of the main lines against the Advance:

We can see that it varies quite a bit from the usual French Advance.

Here, Black doesn't play for c6-c5. Instead, Black is looking to attack on the kingside, in opposite-color-castling fashion (often by prying open a file with f7-f6).

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IronSteam1 wrote:

Caro players aren't obligated to play c6-c5 in the Advance.

I find that a lot of a French players think that the Caro-Kann still has the same positional goals as the French, just with a differently placed bishop. But that isn't always the case.

My point was to give the simplest and quickest explanation of the main theoretical idea of the opening, which is easiest to do through comparing it to the French. I recognize these different ideas, but I think the way I described it was reasonable for the intent I had.

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i think you go pirc defense fr

Avatar of gik-tally

play the french, and decline both the monte carlo as well as alapin diemer gambits and I will despise you with every fiber of my being, ESPECIALLY if you're also a 1.d4 player

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Caro is probably a good choice. White can play like an attacking maniac against just about anything, but with the caro you  will often get a strategic battle in the advanced or carlsbad structures. 

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play the nimzowitsch defense, sound and always asymmetrical, and as an added bonus you can transpose to a king pawn game if you want a good half of the time while avoiding all the 2nd move sidelines by white.

Avatar of HarryMaguire-05

if I were to study a sicillian which would be the best line to cover

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Dragon

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If you want a second tier defense that not everyone and their uncles are playing then the Hanham Philidor might suit. I'm using The Modernized Philidor Defense repertoire book that came out in 2021. Black responds to 1 e4 with 1...d6 and then heads for a Philidor setup. https://britishchessnews.com/2021/11/10/the-modernized-philidor-defense/

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I always forget about the Philidor, but aside from black misplays it's hard for white to force the issue and instead they must patiently improve. 

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French defence has really long term positional idéas. But you have to be willing to be under a big kingside attack which many people find scary. 

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sicilian kalashnikov

options for both strategic and dynamic play

Avatar of HarryMaguire-05

hmm OK

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What id do is mirror e4 and protect with knights. Use bishop to trade for a knight on their kings side. This makes it so that when they castle, a lane is exposed and checkmate can be done with only 2 pieces. e5 is a good start for white but can lead to problems if u use it as a counter for e4. 

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Bobery1 a écrit :

What id do is mirror e4 and protect with knights. Use bishop to trade for a knight on their kings side. This makes it so that when they castle, a lane is exposed and checkmate can be done with only 2 pieces. e5 is a good start for white but can lead to problems if u use it as a counter for e4. 

only problem with that is when you take the knight, the queen takes. 

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nah but if the queen takes the he takes with the pawn and then the bishop is hanging

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ricechessmaster1 wrote:
Bobery1 a écrit :

What id do is mirror e4 and protect with knights. Use bishop to trade for a knight on their kings side. This makes it so that when they castle, a lane is exposed and checkmate can be done with only 2 pieces. e5 is a good start for white but can lead to problems if u use it as a counter for e4. 

only problem with that is when you take the knight, the queen takes. 

You can protect with a bishop so they have to use a pawn rather than a valuable piece such as the queen. 

Avatar of zone_chess

Play the Modern Defense, 2... g6 3...Bg7 and you can develop with the Sicilian pawn 4...c5 to create the Pterodactyl Defense. Because we are delaying attacks this becomes highly positional.
The Sicilian is great too and can be tremendously positional if you go for a Sveshnikov, Kalashnikov, Paulsen, or Kan, for example. Other variations tend to get tense soon.

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Bobery1 a écrit :
ricechessmaster1 wrote:
Bobery1 a écrit :

What id do is mirror e4 and protect with knights. Use bishop to trade for a knight on their kings side. This makes it so that when they castle, a lane is exposed and checkmate can be done with only 2 pieces. e5 is a good start for white but can lead to problems if u use it as a counter for e4. 

only problem with that is when you take the knight, the queen takes. 

You can protect with a bishop so they have to use a pawn rather than a valuable piece such as the queen. 

hmmm alright thanks I might try that sometime