http://www.chess.com/article/view/spectacular-queen-sacrifice
The second is more common, there were 100 games in chess.com's d-base from that position: http://www.chess.com/games/results.html?sort=3&f=13635779&t=1
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Well, I'm just a chess idiot, but those don't look too sound to me!!!!!!
your first game looks like there's more potential then the second. The second one is just bad. i wouldn't ever sacrifice the queen unless a mate was in sight. As far as Genosuke's game goes...I don't really consider it a sac for 3 pieces...it's a sac for 2...the first piece was caught with enough time to move the queen to a safer position. Or even accept a loss of the rook for the knight and bishop.
Apr 21, 2009
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darkpawn wrote:
your first game looks like there's more potential then the second. The second one is just bad. i wouldn't ever sacrifice the queen unless a mate was in sight. As far as Genosuke's game goes...I don't really consider it a sac for 3 pieces...it's a sac for 2...the first piece was caught with enough time to move the queen to a safer position. Or even accept a loss of the rook for the knight and bishop.
It's a sac for three pieces, the queen can't move because that allows Nc7+ where white would be up the exchange, have a much safer king and much better developed pieces. Black can't avoid the queen sac once he commits to the line.
As far as the two posted ones, I think the first one is completely sound (and by that I mean my chess engine thinks that) while the second one is dubious but there is plenty of room for black to play inaccurately and succumb to the pressure.
From my experience, the second position looks more sound, but ultimately, it probably didn't catch on because White doesn't have enough force to continue the attack against an experienced player.
In the abstract, 3 pieces have a slight edge over the Queen, especially in a middle-game position like this with a lot of power left on the board. However, White also lost the two center pawns. If Black has enough time to activate his pieces, that two pawn advantage will be the game.
here's another queen sac line that I think is more sound.
Wasn't the second played a lot by Nigel Short? I played it once myself, but forgot to prevent Black's castling short. In that case, the central pawn roller is quickly overwhelming. Need to have that bishop on h6...
The first one is less "common" in the database because Ivanchuk only invented it a few months ago.
There's also the queen sac line in the Saemisch King's Indian, from Spassky-Bronstein:
Has been played many times afterwards.
Yes it the line against the pirc was played by British GM Nigel Short and is known as the Short Attack and I of course got the line in the najdorf directly from Ivanchuck's game from the Amber tournament a while ago, thanks everyone for the other interesting openings
Apr 22, 2009
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isnt the first one a GM game against another GM but it was actually a short G/15 game???was it not on chess.com not so long ago
it was 25 min with 10 sec gain after each move and ended up a win for white
it was a 25 min qith ten sec and ended up with the black winnin
These are two of what I think are the most interesting opening lines. Does anyone have any o
ther early sound positional queen sacs or experience playing these lines?