Proper Rebuke of the Parham Attack

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metallictaste

The parham attack is an aggressive opening that is coveted by novices, but has sometimes been used by grandmasters! And I can see why. The conventional response, shown above in the diagram, leaves black with a horribly awkward fianchetto'd bishop, and leaves white free to push d4 with moves like c3 or Ne2.

I would like to propose a different, more effective and secure manner to deal with the parham attack, which still carries the disadvantage of the awkward fianchetto'd bishop, but is more positionally sound.


Also, I would not begrudge one the use of the "Kiddie Countergambit", 2. ... Nf6 !?
khpa21

How does your idea help with stopping d4?

Shantar

Thanks much man i was so tired of people doing this to me :) now i know how can i defend this !

metallictaste
khpa21 wrote:

How does your idea help with stopping d4?

The threat of a d4 push is made insignificant by the pawn defending e5. If a d4 push occurs, what will they do with it? The most they will be able to do is exchange with e5, which completely ruins the point of having a D4 push in the first place. Meanwhile, you ought to push d5 with a white bishop fianchetto accompanied with c6. This should result in a strategic demolition.

cbgirardo

I suggest 2...Nf6 as a way for Black to get an advantage and excellent winning chances from the opening.

According to Nakamura, 2...Nc6 is an inaccuracy, and White has a natural plan of playing h3, Ne2-g3 and eventually sacrificing with Nf5 which can be very dangerous.

The line I recommend will play like this:

1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nf6! 3.Qxe5+ Be7 4.Bc4(if beginner) d6! 5.Qg3 O-O and if 6.Nf3?? Nh5 traps the queen. This is an important idea, although the same idea can arise if Black first plays Nc6, then castles, then d6 as well. Another thing to be aware of is that sometimes a White d3 -> Bh6 idea to attack castled king and threaten to mate on g7 can often be met by the unorthodox Ng4! winning material, as in the line (from above) 6.d3 Nc6 7.Bh6 Ng4!

edboardman1

cbgirardo is wrong with Qg3 is beginner and not a matrix line, maybe you play that line not me, i play matrix and hunt your king, you can chase my queen all you want, just remember that a matrix player dont give up. your off there buddy, check your sorces at the door on matrix, they dont hold any water. 

comradedew

I have a much higher success rate of defeating people using those standard counters than ones using kiddie countergambit

LavaRook

@spaghettio

I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. Its not like cbgirardo "congratulated himself on his own amazing move" or let alone even say it was his own move...

While its true that a ton of ppl "congratulate themselves" and its annoying and all, he wasn't really doing that here honestly...

Dragec
I wouldn't take this discussion seriously, as Qh5 players often does't know what to do if their plan of mate on f7(or king-rook fork) fails.
Davidjordan

I propose a defense even stronger than what you mentioned.

Tricklev

Op is mistaken, d4 isn't bad against the e5 and d6 formation, it is in fact played in most philidor lines. In some of them a fianchetto is actually played aswell.

 

This discussion started with way to missunderstandings of rudimentary chess to be of any interest.

edboardman1

my instict tells me that so far all those are novice moves  that someone would make if they are pretenting to be a matrix player. Once you know matrix player would not make such moves

Tricklev

Is Matrix player slang for scrub?

edboardman1

if a master is playing thus attack and winning, even a 2500+ player is winning with such attack, how can you refute this , leaves to question is can you.

kill_bill98
comradedew wrote:

I have a much higher success rate of defeating people using those standard counters than ones using kiddie countergambit

 


this is what should have been done...

Wou_Rem

I like to sacrifice the pawn like this. Which is by the way the best move according to theory and engines.
Lokaz
This play seems to give white a slight advantage by giving the pawn back to catch up in development and attack via the g-file. Please point out any innacuracies on my part; I'm quite far from World Champion!
Zerrogi
uhohspaghettio wrote:
ajedrecito wrote:

I would imagine 2.b4 is a good deal worse (as for the 'worst second move')


True.

(I started to write something about the merits of the Sokolsky Opening 1. b4 but then I realized 2. ... Bxb4.....)

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Parham attack may easily refuted, but dont group the Sokolsky in with that!  It's not THAT bad of an opening :P

Wou_Rem
Zerrogi wrote:
uhohspaghettio wrote:
ajedrecito wrote:

I would imagine 2.b4 is a good deal worse (as for the 'worst second move')


True.

(I started to write something about the merits of the Sokolsky Opening 1. b4 but then I realized 2. ... Bxb4.....)

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Parham attack may easily refuted, but dont group the Sokolsky in with that!  It's not THAT bad of an opening :P


Orang Utangs aren't that nasty :D. I like to play:

e5 followed by d6, closing of the line. I know that there are slightly better ways to play it, but those are exactly the lines your opponent is expecting from you and wants from you.

edboardman1
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:
Zerrogi wrote:
uhohspaghettio wrote:
ajedrecito wrote:

I would imagine 2.b4 is a good deal worse (as for the 'worst second move')


True.

(I started to write something about the merits of the Sokolsky Opening 1. b4 but then I realized 2. ... Bxb4.....)

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Parham attack may easily refuted, but dont group the Sokolsky in with that!  It's not THAT bad of an opening :P


Orang Utangs aren't that nasty :D. I like to play:

e5 followed by d6, closing of the line. I know that there are slightly better ways to play it, but those are exactly the lines your opponent is expecting from you and wants from you.


both of those moves puts the queen where she wants to be at