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Queen's Gambit Declined: Is this a TN?
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446919 wrote:
gxtmf1 wrote:
446919 wrote:
Have you considered white playing the exchange variation?
No, and based on what you showed me, I never will.
I meant what do you plan on doing against the exchange variation?
Check out Nigel Short
He does well with Black playing QGD, even the exchange variation.
Well, that's Kasparov. He's debatably the best ever. While it seems we're both striving for self-affirming evidence rather than objectivity, I still say that if you were to look at Short's overall record w/ QGD is very good as Black.
I've seen that game. Good one, but that's not how Short generally addresses the QGD exchange.
I play the exchange with white and I find it interesting that although it seems to be trading the active c pawn for black's passive e pawn (well it is) it's actually quite difficult for black to generate play! A white set up with Bg5, Bd3, Qc2, Nge2 is very flexible for white as he can do the minority attack on the queenside and gain space in the center with f3 and e4 depending on what black does. I'm pretty sure black's plan in the QGD exchange is to control the e file so a knight can eventually come to e4 and try to generate a kingside attack, but this is much less realistic than white's plan which creates definite targets. Also possible is ...f5-f4 to weaken white's pawns but this is difficult also. I think black just needs to play solidly if white plays right and can only actually do his plan if white makes a few mistakes. I think in the colle system when black plays ...cxd4 the same exact thing happens but white is fully equal just because he's up a few tempos and his knight can usually get to e5.
I was just interested because most lines seem dull.
446919 wrote:
Elubas wrote:
I play the exchange with white and I find it interesting that although it seems to be trading the active c pawn for black's passive e pawn (well it is) it's actually quite difficult for black to generate play! A white set up with Bg5, Bd3, Qc2, Nge2 is very flexible for white as he can do the minority attack on the queenside and gain space in the center with f3 and e4 depending on what black does. I'm pretty sure black's plan in the QGD exchange is to control the e file so a knight can eventually come to e4 and try to generate a kingside attack, but this is much less realistic than white's plan which creates definite targets. Also possible is ...f5-f4 to weaken white's pawns but this is difficult also. I think black just needs to play solidly if white plays right and can only actually do his plan if white makes a few mistakes. I think in the colle system when black plays ...cxd4 the same exact thing happens but white is fully equal just because he's up a few tempos and his knight can usually get to e5.
The reason to why black can't organize counter play easily because of whites solidity in the center, firm hold of e4, and flexibility in the nge2 line while white has the minority attack which black cannot easily or advantageously prevent. Also in the nge2 not only does black have to worry about play on the kingside but also potential attack on the kingside
Right. It's interesting though how in a similar position you can get more play
Wait how is the QGD not dull for black in the main lines? What are the not dull lines with 3...Nf6?