Question about fishing pole

Oh I see, you said bishop to b5 -- well if you do put it on c4 (and have no shame ) you can do the Queen to h5 trick hoping they'll fall for the checkmate on f7 (queen takes f7).  If no one at your school plays chess you'll likely be able to win a few games in 4 moves like this.

If you're going to face someone who has played before, or just want to know a new opening like you said, this site has a neat page explaining 3 opening systems.  Attacks are white openings, defenses are black openings, but systems are a pattern you can develop your pieces into no matter what your opponent plays.  They're solid ways to set up your side of the board.  You can see them here.

I hope you have checked brian wall's site.

Oh wow, that Queen to h5 and take f7 is a good trick! Thanks dude!

"It seems like white has to have memorized at least a few lines if he wants to survive."

Not really... I mean what threats does black really have?  All he has to do is know about the attack down the h file (I know about this from the ruy lopez: exchange) and I'm really wondering how black is planning to attack. 

I would probably go c3-d4 and then bring the knight over to the kingside, and then black would probably be forced to move it because of excessive king defenses.  Just looks like a weakening pawn move and waste of several tempo to me (2-3, if you include white not having to play h3.)

I mean I've lost to the KG or danish or halloween before, but this just isn't scary.  And it leaves black with a TERRIBLE position.

I saw a few blitz games on ICC where a master and then a IM lost to the attack.  Black's position is worse, but he just brings his dark square bishop in to hit f2 and his queen in from the b9-h2 diagonal or the g or h files.  Black rarely finishes his development or even castles, it's just a crazy, raging, sacrificial attack.  I don't have much experience with it, so I can't give you actual moves sorry -- but when I saw a few strong players lose to it, I thought I might want to know specifically what to do.

It was a few of Brian Wall's wins on ICC that made me want to look more closely at this opening -- I actually didn't know he had a site, I'll be sure to visit it, thanks.

Yeah, I'd have to think a prepared opponent would wipe that crap off the board in an OTB tournament game.

If I remember though, at a tournament I played in, I saw BW as black open vs an established 1900 player:

In the lobby after the game, at 5...h5 BW explained this was the BP oil spill opening and that there was a web cam set up where you could see how black was leaking 100,000 light squares a minute.

Of course he won the game somehow lol.

There is no question that 5...h5 is absolutely vile, and repulsive, but as hideous as things look, ever try to defeat stuff like this? Now if it was a weaker player, you probably crushed them, but if it's like a stronger player playing something like this because for some reason he feels it's worth it to get you confused, it would be a real pain to convert against strong resistance.

However, by declining the Knight and continuing his development White is safe. He may even blockade the h-file and then safely take the Knight.

I've been working on it against a strong engine, and I've got to agree, it's a real pain to convert! It's rather infuriating, actually. The raging sacrificial attack Orangehonda spoke of hassn't materialized for Black; I don't quite see what White has to fear here so long as he stays alert... but I'm having a helluva time "proving" that Ng5 is a mistake (with our without the h3) by forcing the N to move with a development gaining attack or otherwise really demonstrating that the N is out of position.

Of course, strong engine vs weak amateur makes all kinds of iffy things look playable.

I didn't save my analysis -- but I have feeling I'm going to redo it, this fishing pole nonsense has gotten under my skin.

He was an entertaining guy.  In this tournament I think he was top seed above the other two masters and being a master himself for decades I think he was just playing purely for the enjoyment of the game.  He experimented with something different every game except the last round he played a solid hedgehog.

The other master from Colorado Pete K (not sure how to spell last name) took up white's position after h5 in the lobby and it was deceivingly difficult... but in the end found 2 or 3 different attacking ideas that put black in all kinds of pain.  In the real game, white was evidently afraid of his opponent's rating, locked stuff up, and after some mutual mistakes finally lost to Brian's better technique.  A terrible game by both sides, but I suspect Brian enjoyed every minute of it

Yeah, I actually saw a game where some guy plays c3 and BW won anyway.  So it does take a little more than that :)  I didn't realize it at the time though.

if you touch a hot stove, youll get burned, and you know you wont do it again, its kindve the same thing once youve gone horribly wrong with something as this