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Race to 100: Jobava London vs The London System

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autobunny
autobunny
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#61
Race to 100: Jobava London vs The London System
rychessmaster1 wrote:

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One at a time

Et tu Ry? 

vishnu_vijay_93
vishnu_vijay_93
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#62
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:

this trap has gotten hundreds of thousands of people including Magnus(granted it got him in bullet but still)

 

I checked the l*chess.org database and even at the 2200+ level 4.Nc6 is still the most popular move by far, even though it is completely losing. Thats what separates the Jobava from the original London, in the London, most of the traps are either really obvious or rarely occur in practice. But not the Jobava

well no, none of the traps in the london are obvious, wdym!

I said that they are either obvious, or they barely ever occur in practice. Find me a trap in the London where black is dead lost after his 4th move, that has occurred 10s of thousands of times in high level play. There isn't one.

its bcoz nobody knows about it! whereas in the jobava the moves are obvious, U just wanna put a knight on c7 and fork everything, I know there are a lot of ppl who fall for it in blitz/bullet but then they won't next time coz you lose the element of surprise

vishnu_vijay_93
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#63
slabflow wrote:

 

watched gingerGM's vid eh wink.png

Steven-ODonoghue
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#64
slabflow wrote:

Seems more like a blunder by black than a trap...

Aren't all traps blunders?

vishnu_vijay_93
vishnu_vijay_93
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#65
slabflow wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:

find the trap here, there is only a small chance that U will find the move without having prepped this position before



U are absolutely correct

vishnu_vijay_93
vishnu_vijay_93
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#66
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
slabflow wrote:

Seems more like a blunder by black than a trap...

Aren't all traps blunders?

well some are just blatantly obvious blunders while the others seem like they are thematic moves but they are not.

vishnu_vijay_93
vishnu_vijay_93
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#67

I beat a guy in 90+30 OTB with eric rosen's prep just bcoz he played an obvious developing move i.e Bb7 and I ended up sacrificing a pawn, 2 pieces and an exchange to hunt the king. Now that is a true trap , Nb5-c7 is a cheapo

Steven-ODonoghue
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#68
slabflow wrote:
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
slabflow wrote:

Seems more like a blunder by black than a trap...

Aren't all traps blunders?

Trap implies there's some kind of hidden threat. Nb5-c7 fork is something you learn practically your first day of playing. It's like saying 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 is a trap because if black doesn't move the knight you'll win it lol.

 

4..Nc6 isn't an obviously losing move though. And the fact that IMs and GMs have played it, even in slow games should make that apparent. After 5.Nb5, if black ignored the c7 fork and played h6, then yeah, that would be a blunder not a trap. But I think it's still fair to say that 4.e3 is setting a trap for black, being 4...Nc6

rychessmaster1
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Jan 3, 2021
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#69

4... Nc6 5. Nb5 e5 the game still goes on but white wins at least one pawn and probably two

Steven-ODonoghue
Steven-ODonoghue
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#70
slabflow wrote:

4...Nc6 is an obviously losing move unless there's some deeper defense that white can defeat that I'm not seeing.

I assume Nc6 is played so much because in most positions you can play this way without thinking... I also assume any GM who blundered with Nc6 feels embarrassed for making such a beginner level blunder.

Well the full line goes, 1. d4 d5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bf4 c5 4. e3 Nc6 5. Nb5 e5 6. Bxe5 Nxe5 7. dxe5 Ng4 8. Qxd5. I'm not sure if that's what you saw or not.

So at most black loses a pawn or two, the chess.com game report doesn't even consider 4..Nc6 a blunder because the eval is only +1.5 for white. It considers it a mistake.

 

EternallyBad
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#71

I heard someone was looking for a streamer

vishnu_vijay_93
vishnu_vijay_93
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#72
Leon_Likes_Chess wrote:

I heard someone was looking for a streamer

we were but rebus ran away from the challenge tongue.png

Phantom_Beast23
Phantom_Beast23
Jan 3, 2021
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#73

here's an image I found of Baadur Jobava that I plan on using for my London system blog:

Steven-ODonoghue
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#74
slabflow wrote:

4...Nc6 is an obviously losing move unless there's some deeper defense that white can defeat that I'm not seeing.

I assume Nc6 is played so much because in most positions you can play this way without thinking... I also assume any GM who blundered with Nc6 feels embarrassed for making such a beginner level blunder.

Also, I would argue that the vast majority of popular opening traps are more obvious blunders than 4...Nc6. For example, Nd3 mate in the Budapest, Nxd4 in the Milner Barry French, etc. I don't think it has to be particularly difficult to see to be still considered a trap.

vishnu_vijay_93
vishnu_vijay_93
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#75

rebus said He does not have 50$ so he cannot.

rebus2k
rebus2k
Jan 3, 2021
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#76

I’m 13 -_-

vishnu_vijay_93
vishnu_vijay_93
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#77
rebus2k wrote:

I’m 13 -_-

so am I.

rebus2k
rebus2k
Jan 3, 2021
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#78

No ur not

vishnu_vijay_93
vishnu_vijay_93
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#79
rebus2k wrote:

No ur not

excuse you, I know my age smh

Phantom_Beast23
Phantom_Beast23
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#80
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
rebus2k wrote:

No ur not

excuse you, I know my age smh

this logic tho