Ranking Gambits for Black

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Lastrank

He forgot the Lastrank gambit, 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 c5, which should probably be the last ranked gambit on the list. 

SwimmerBill
Jasonosaurus wrote:

In real life, my rating is about 1500. I play the Icelandic (within the Scandinavian) whenever I get the chance. Also the Budapest. I have had great success with the Icelandic, including in OTB play against opponents 100-200 points higher than me. Not so with the Budapest though. 
It would be interesting to see a list of gambits and the corresponding rating at which they stop being effective. 

Icelandic is strong. I like the white side of the Panov and was forced by bad losses in Icelandic to dig in and learn it well even though it is rare.

hi_dudes

You forgot to mention the Khan gambit! It is the best gambit in the game!

gik-tally

It's really hard finding black gambits. It took me 2 effing DECADES to find england's hartlaub charlick variation. Mainline englund sucks, but I was short strokin' just watching chess academy's video and loving the semi open smith morra style semi open e & d files with ...Bd6 lined up on 0-0 with discovered attacks on d1. It totally made sense right away.

I'm still destroying white 2:1 with it with all the MOBILITY and tactics i could ask for and FINALLY playing something fun as black.

The ...f5 theory needed to drop the scandinavian and play rousseau, luccini (groan), Calabrese and jaenish schliemann has proven daunting at 702 lines of theory JUST for the 1st 2 lines of rousseau and DIFFICULT luccini, and im maybe only 1/2 way through that.

The upside I've found, studying the nimzowisch Marshall variation of the falkbeer counter gambit is THAT variation is slaughter in the main line and kicks a good amount of butt in the second line and looks to be even more ruthless in the 3rd line. Creating theory for that has reinvigorated me after luccini prospects and maze of variations got depressing

As to the Icelandic, I never really clicked with it and positional 3.d4 drives me nuts no matter what I try against it. That, 2.e5 and 4.Nxd5 Qxd5 are the 3 reasons I despise the toothless Scandinavian. If I WANTED to play the chase my queen variation, i wouldn't hav3 switched to 2...Nf6 20 years ago

gik-tally
YouEvenLiftBro wrote:

Wait, black can play gambits???

Sounds like a tough gig to play both a pawn and a tempo down.

I sometimes see people play what could best be described as a King's Gambit as black. It never works out, and is actually quite easy to refute, because they are a tempo down instead of a tempo up.

UNTRUE, unless you're playing the lousy latvian.

rousseau gambit is BRUTAL with nice winning stats. that's why i want to learn it. 4.d4 leads to the luccini which is much tougher and theory intensive.

jaenish schliemann isn't even considered a gambit and has great stats too at the amateur level from what I recall and the calabrese is fine too.

as a king's gambiteer, I like the idea of ...f5 WAY MORE than allowing 2.e5 or playing positionally.

gambits as black are even RISKIER for black, but they can be potent surprise weapons and if you despise positional as much as i do, they're as close to getting the initiative as possible. I slay 1.d4 with the englund hartlaub charlick and DESPISE playing the scandinavian despite my winning stats because it's soooo toothless and allows infuriating Nf6 stopping 2.e5. i don't want to play BORING pawn pushing bean counting quiet games EVER! there's no ROMANCE in them

you want to beat king's gambit? IGNORE fisher's toothless defense and counter gambit! the falkbeer counter gambit is the only reply that actually has WINNING stats (i do terrible against it myself) and the rare nimzowitsch marshall countergambit in that line is BEYOND brutal!

DrSpudnik
hi_dudes wrote:

You forgot to mention the Khan gambit! It is the best gambit in the game!

I don't think they forgot.

hhy878hh8

the schara gotta be up there

AngryPuffer
gik-tally wrote:
YouEvenLiftBro wrote:

Wait, black can play gambits???

Sounds like a tough gig to play both a pawn and a tempo down.

I sometimes see people play what could best be described as a King's Gambit as black. It never works out, and is actually quite easy to refute, because they are a tempo down instead of a tempo up.

UNTRUE, unless you're playing the lousy latvian.

rousseau gambit is BRUTAL with nice winning stats. that's why i want to learn it. 4.d4 leads to the luccini which is much tougher and theory intensive.

jaenish schliemann isn't even considered a gambit and has great stats too at the amateur level from what I recall and the calabrese is fine too.

as a king's gambiteer, I like the idea of ...f5 WAY MORE than allowing 2.e5 or playing positionally.

gambits as black are even RISKIER for black, but they can be potent surprise weapons and if you despise positional as much as i do, they're as close to getting the initiative as possible. I slay 1.d4 with the englund hartlaub charlick and DESPISE playing the scandinavian despite my winning stats because it's soooo toothless and allows infuriating Nf6 stopping 2.e5. i don't want to play BORING pawn pushing bean counting quiet games EVER! there's no ROMANCE in them

you want to beat king's gambit? IGNORE fisher's toothless defense and counter gambit! the falkbeer counter gambit is the only reply that actually has WINNING stats (i do terrible against it myself) and the rare nimzowitsch marshall countergambit in that line is BEYOND brutal!

the marshall attack is a very good gambit for black in the ruy lopez

Lastrank

Try the Lastrank Gambit.

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3.exd5 c5.

It's probably not sound but I've had good results in bullet games. In some variations black wants to exchange queens even though he's a pawn down.

I've had good results with it in bullet games. I wouldn't recommend it for anything else.

I'd be curious what results others get with this gambit.

gik-tally

"the marshall attack is a very good gambit for black in the ruy lopez"

that's why there's so many systems to AVOID it before you can get to it in, what, 7 or 8 moves? just looked it up, yep, it's 8 moves, and white should just play the mc kenzie variation and crush the ruy. I knew there was a reason I decided long ago I'd NEVER try to play the marshall. black is getting crushed in EVERY variation

jaenish schliemann is the ONLY reply with winnings stats for black. it looks hard for him to get an advantage in the 4.Nc3 & 4.d4 lines, but has = chances in a 19% of sidelines, which isn't shabby at all. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5 4. d3 fxe4 5. dxe4 Nf6 6. O-O d6 7. Nc3 Be7 8. Bc4 Na5 9. Qe2 Bg4 looks to be the most challenging "main line" for black, but he's still winning in most replies except 10.Bg5, buts that's taking white down sideline street where he most likely is out of book too at only 10 games total making the JS player have to actually take a break from winning and play some chess. I can't wait to play 1.e4 e5 #...f5 gambits.

there are some truly testing lines like 4.d3 rousseau > luccini gambit and in the 2.Bc4 f5!? calabrese, but if black knows what he's doing, he can almost hold = in testing sidelines.

look at all the carnage against king's gambit in the falkbeer nimzowitsch marshall counter gambit!

I want a piece of some of THAT action too after getting crushed so much in the 3...Qxd5 and 3...e5 main lines. Igor at chess academy recommends 3...exf4, but it doesn't have anywhere NEAR these stats. you can't get results like THAT in the toothless scandinavian!

Try the Lastrank Gambit.

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3.exd5 c5.

It's probably not sound but I've had good results in bullet games. In some variations black wants to exchange queens even though he's a pawn down.

I've had good results with it in bullet games. I wouldn't recommend it for anything else.

I'd be curious what results others get with this gambit.

does NOT look promising at all for black 1600-2000. why even gambit in the french? it's the POSITIONAL play that tends to drive white bonkers

black can statistically equalize against c4 too in a couple lines

the schara gotta be up there

yep! von hennig schara looks to DEFINITELY be "up there"