Realy a joke opening ?
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This is the Barnes Defense/Fired Fox Defence, many will think that this is a joke opening , but i've played with myself an realised that the game can be a real interesting one, what will be youre reaction if youre opponent will play this opening ? Also i want youre oppinion, is this realy a joke opening ?
what theeeeeeeeeeeee! only beginners do that kind of opening..
I do not like to draw certain conclusions based on first impressions, so I remain open minded and curious as to how this defence would develop. With only two moves shown, I think the burden is on the person presenting the Barnes system to show us a longer portion of the game, illustrating what unexpected advantage there might be. Without more than what we have seen, there is just not enough evidence to make the question worth discussing.
If it is a good system which you can use, then why not beat of few members of this site. When you move the king, you will immediately have element of surprise on your side.
in my opinion , it is a stupid opening [no offence to the people who use it!
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Well as chode said u give up ur right to castle and endanger your king. I don't know why its called the 'Barnes defence' Because its not actully a defence! And i really think it is a joke opening for sure
White can immediately apply a check...and probably a mate within a few more moves. It's a joke opening, but I likey.
Aug 18, 2007
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#7
Yes, these moves are "playable" for black because white has no real way to take advantage of it (I ran it through the Rybka program and it did not find any winning advantage for white).
But this is surely not the way I would want to start my game with the black pieces.
IronRaven wrote:
what will be your reaction if youre opponent will play this opening
Awful put him away!
this is a possible outcome of the game, just think about it who has th ebetter position half way through the game, it takes away your right to castle but you can develope still with well placed pawns and defensive pawns and your king isn't locked up but still impossble to attack and your closer to the center for endgame, it may be a sort of joke, but think of the surprise element and underestimation and stuff
This is an interesting opening! I believe one member of our site "MarcosRamos" uses this opening/defence quite frequently and winning some of the games against decently rated players. So, it would not be fair to outrightly reject this opening without studying it. I think the surprise element for those who have been playing conventional openings does the trick more than anything else. Also, I don't see any immediate disadvantage in using this either, if one has a plan and develops strategically.
Those who dismiss the idea of this opening/defence might want to give a shot with MarcosRamos 
Aug 18, 2007
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#11
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Result "*"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
1. e4 f6 2. d4 Kf7 3. Bc4+ e6 4. d5 Be7 5. dxe6+ dxe6 6. Qxd8 Bxd8 7. Be2 Nh6 8. Bh5+ g6 9. Bf3 c6 10. Bf4 Ba5+ 11. c3 b6 12. Bxb8 Rxb8 13. Na3 c5 14. O-O-O Ba6 15. Be2 Bxe2 16. Nxe2 Ng4 17. Rdf1 Rbd8 18. Nc4 Rd3 19. Nxa5 bxa5 20. h3 Ne5 21. f4 Re3 22. fxe5 Rxe2 23. exf6 Rxe4
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4.......,Qe7!?
golfpro (1067) - MarcosRamos (1615) [B00]
Chess.com - Online Chess Chess.com - Online Chess, 06.08.2007
1.e4 f6 2.d4 Kf7 3.Bc4+ e6 4.d5 Qe7 5.Nc3 a6 6.Nf3 d6 7.Be3 e5 8.0-0 Nh6 9.a4 Bg4 10.b4 Nd7 11.h3 Bh5 12.g4 Bg6 13.b5 Nb6 14.Bxb6 cxb6 15.a5 Qc7 16.Ra4 bxa5 0-1
guarocuya (1548) - MarcosRamos (1663) [A40]
Chess.com - Online Chess Chess.com - Online Chess, 09.08.2007
1.d4 f6 2.e4 Kf7 3.Bc4+ e6 4.d5 Qe7 5.Bd2 d6 6.Nf3 e5 7.0-0 g6 8.h3 Kg7 9.Nc3 Nd7 10.a4 Nb6 11.b3 Nxc4 12.bxc4 a6 13.h4 h5 14.g3 Nh6 15.Bxh6+ Rxh6 16.Qd2 Rh8 17.Rae1 Bh3 18.Qd3 Bxf1 19.Qxf1 Kf7 20.Nh2 Bh6 21.f4 exf4 22.gxf4 Kg7 23.Re3 f5 24.e5 Qxh4 25.Rf3 dxe5 26.fxe5 Qd4+ 27.Kh1 Qxe5 28.Qg1 Rhe8 29.Rg3 Qe1 30.Rxg6+ Kh7 31.Rg3 Qxg1+ 32.Rxg1 Re3 33.Nd1 Ra3 34.Nb2 Rc3 35.Rg2 Re8 36.Kg1 Re1+ 37.Nf1 Be3+ 38.Kh2 Rxf1 0-1
misteratoz (1367) - MarcosRamos (1689) [B00]
Chess.com - Online Chess Chess.com - Online Chess, 11.08.2007
1.e4 f6 2.d4 Kf7 3.Bc4+ e6 4.d5 Qe7 5.Nf3 d6 6.Nc3 e5 7.Be3 g6 8.h3 Bg7 9.0-0 Nd7 10.Nb5 Nb6 11.Be2 a6 12.Bxb6 cxb6 13.Na3 b5 14.Qd2 Nh6 15.c4 bxc4 16.Nxc4 Rf8 17.Qb4 Rd8 18.Nb6 Rb8 19.Rac1 f5 20.Nd2 Kg8 21.f3 Nf7 22.Rc3 Bh6 23.Nb3 Bf4 24.Qc4 Ng5 25.Nxc8 Nxh3+ 26.gxh3 Qg5+ 27.Kh1 0-1
misteratoz (1685) - MarcosRamos (1754) [B00]
Chess.com - Online Chess Chess.com - Online Chess, 15.08.2007
1.e4 f6 2.d4 Kf7 3.Bc4+ e6 4.d5 Qe7 5.Nf3 g6 6.0-0 Kg7 7.Nc3 e5 8.Be3 d6 9.Qd2 f5 10.exf5 gxf5 11.Rfe1 h6 12.Nb5 a6 13.Nbd4 Nf6 14.Nh4 Kh7 15.Ndxf5 Bxf5 16.Nxf5 Qd7 17.Bxh6 Qxf5 18.Qb4 e4 19.Qxb7 Bxh6 20.Qxa8 Rg8 21.Be2 1/2-1/2
Aug 18, 2007
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#13
What's the point of posting games games like this where you played people much inferior and the outcome of the game is obviously not a result of the opening, when the point in question is the opening and not "are you able to win an inferior opponent with a stupid opening"?
Why don't you post us some games where you won with this opening against people your size? Playing this opening is just like playing with a small positional handicap.
What The #$*&! Hey man, either I have no sense of humor and don't get the joke or all those chess books I've carefully studied are completely wrong. I've been going over this opening to see if this is one of those "let's see how dumb the new guys are trick questions," and I don't see any benefit to it. Even some of the played out posibble scenarios seem to be plagued with wasted moves and material losses that make no sense. Am I missing something here? I mean, I'm not a great chess player by any means but I thought I has studied openings enough to tell a practical one from a looney tunes one. Some help a fellow out here. Jeeeeezz!
MarcosRamos (1671) - misteratoz (1639) [A00]
Chess.com - Online Chess Chess.com - Online Chess, 12.08.2007
1.f3 d5 2.Kf2 e5 3.e3 Nc6 4.Ne2 Bc5 5.c3 Bd6 6.g3 Nf6 7.d4 0-0 8.Nd2 e4 9.Bg2 exf3 10.Nxf3 10...Re8 11.Rf1 Ng4+ [11...Ne7!?-/+] 12.Kg1=/+ Nxe3 13.Bxe3 Rxe3 14.Qd2 Qe7 15.Rae1 Bg4 16.h3 [>=16.Nf4!? is interesting 16...Bxf4 17.gxf4 Rxe1 18.Rxe1=/+] 16...Bxf3-/+ 17.Rxf3 Re6 18.Kf1 Re8 19.h4 [19.Rd3 Nxd4 20.cxd4 Bb4-/+] 19...Na5 20.b3 g6 21.Bh3 f5 22.h5 Nc6 23.Qd3 [23.Bg2 Nd8-+] 23...Nxd4 [23...Nd8!? 24.hxg6 hxg6 25.Bg2-+] 24.cxd4 Bb4 25.Rf2?? the final mistake, not that it matters anymore [>=25.hxg6 Bxe1 26.gxh7+ Qxh7 27.Bxf5 Qh1+ 28.Ng1-+] 25...Bxe1 26.Kxe1 Re3 [26...Re3 27.Qd2 f4-+] 0-1
[Site "Chess.com - Online Chess"]
[Date "2007.08.16"]
[White "MarcosRamos"]
[Black "Dannyh3065"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "1818"]
[BlackElo "1650"]
[TimeControl "1 in 3 days"]
1. f3 e5 2. Kf2 d5 3. e3 Bc5 4. Ne2 Nc6 5. d4 exd4 6. exd4 Nxd4 7. Nxd4 Qh4+ 8. Ke3 Qe7+ 9. Kf2 Qh4+ 10. Ke3 Qe7+ 1/2-1/2
[Date "2007.08.16"]
[White "MarcosRamos"]
[Black "Dannyh3065"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "1818"]
[BlackElo "1650"]
[TimeControl "1 in 3 days"]
1. f3 e5 2. Kf2 d5 3. e3 Bc5 4. Ne2 Nc6 5. d4 exd4 6. exd4 Nxd4 7. Nxd4 Qh4+ 8. Ke3 Qe7+ 9. Kf2 Qh4+ 10. Ke3 Qe7+ 1/2-1/2
Aug 18, 2007
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#17
Hugh_T_Patterson wrote: What The #$*&! Hey man, either I have no sense of humor and don't get the joke or all those chess books I've carefully studied are completely wrong. I've been going over this opening to see if this is one of those "let's see how dumb the new guys are trick questions," and I don't see any benefit to it. Even some of the played out posibble scenarios seem to be plagued with wasted moves and material losses that make no sense. Am I missing something here? I mean, I'm not a great chess player by any means but I thought I has studied openings enough to tell a practical one from a looney tunes one. Some help a fellow out here. Jeeeeezz!
you are right. this is a lame opening and not worth talking about in my humble opinion. but some people play it either because they want to prove that they are THAT MUCH BETTER than you, or because they want to catch you being overzealous.
you believe that she gains games with conventional openings and defenses?
Aug 18, 2007
0
#19
Marcos, if you want to play unconventional openings, why not try some wild gambit? I've played two games using the muzio (I'm winning the second one :), and against a higher rated opponent than me) and one that is probably going to be a muzio next turn, and it's a lot of fun, and also at least as important, it's very educative and stimulates creativity, sharpness and tactical play. There's a few other like this (fried liver, for example).